Balancing on factory wheels

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Balancing on factory wheels

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Just got my new LT255/85R16 Falken Wildpeak M/T tires mounted to factory wheels, but am nervous about the balancing as they all seem to have a lot (for what I'm used to) weight. On all five, the weights are at the same clocking as the valve stem, and are 1.75, 2.25, 2.75, 3.00, and 5.00oz. All tires were mounted with yellow paint spot clocked to the valve stem.

1) I suspect they ignored my request to balance lug-centric and balanced hole-centric.
Has hub-centric balancing worked out okay for others on the factory Pinz wheels?


2) Does this sound normal as typical weight for these kind of tires?
My other trucks (Toyotas) with bigger tires all have much less weight on them. (Bridgestone & Cooper A/T tires on steel and alloy factory wheels). These tires weigh in at 59lb, so 92lb per assembly. The "1% rule" for maximum weight would be 14.5oz, so from what I can read this amount of weight is "okay".

3) Those weights look like they're curved for 15in wheels, not 16in. Thoughts?


For those who don't know what the yellow spot is, it's the lightest point of the tire: https://www.yokohamatire.com/tires-101/ ... your-tires, so it makes sense that the weights would be added here.
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Pretty much guaranteed they did not balance lug centric. That's a pretty
rare adapter and one no shop would have. So....I'd say good change you
are not balanced. You could...try to see if she holds well at HWY speed,
or remove the weights and get yourself a set of balancing beads. There are
beads small enough in diameter to pour down the stem.

BTW a number of years ago I borrowed one of these adapters from Scott@EI
and made sure the shop used it. There were far fewer weights ued vs the
weights that were on the tire -- Hmmmm...

These days I go strictly with beads.
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The beads are still voodoo to me, so not gone there yet. Yeah, I told those guys at RWC General Tire to balance it lug-centric, but I don't think that made it to interested ears. Not going to mount 'em until I know all is squared away.
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I'll second the suggestion to use balancing beads. I have them in my current 710M and used them in 3 others too. I continue to be very pleased with the results.

I'm running Cooper Discoverer STT Maxx LT235/85R16.
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So...I mounted up the new tires and there were no perceptible vibration issues.

Also, speed numbers look to be 101KPH on the speedo, 4050RPM, 60MPH, with tires at 36PSI.

Handling is incomparably better than the original Swiss balloons that used to be on the truck.

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Okay..............on the subject of balancing..........(nice ride btw ChickenPinz.......looks very clean)........I like the factory wheels. I do not expect a shop to be able to balance them. I am going to go the route of balancing beads as others have.

As ChickenPinz said and I mirror the statement, it is a bit voodoo to me.

There are numerous brands of balancing beads out there. Ceramic, glass, lead, yada yada yada. Is there a particular brand or type of medium that is recommended?

It would be nice to get it right the first time without a bunch of trial and error.

Furthermore.................how many ounces per wheel/tire for a Pinzgauer?
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Tire chart on Dyna Bead WEB site, typically 6 to 8 oz.
https://www.innovativebalancing.com/index.php

I'd recommend ceramic, over glass, or heavy metal. Stick
with a brand name and not some eBay knock off.

Some folks have gone the DIY route with BB's and other substitutes materials.
What ever you do make sure you don't use a small diameter bead or you will
also need to replace your valve stems with a "screened" version or they might
clog the valve when airing down.

I use Dyan Beads intended for 4x4 aggressive tires and never had a balance
problem or had any blow out through the valve stem even with a ARB deflator.
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okay.....................no lead weights for me.............gonna go ceramic beads...........name brand Dyna Beads.......sounds like the off-road ones just go inside the tire on assembly..........super easy.....and no need to change valve stem core. Winner.

Need to pull all my wheels and sandblast and paint...........was gonna go with powdercoat but the guy who I hired to do that really messed up. Have a cabinet now..............will blast myself and hire someone to spray with some good old fashioned automotive paint.

Sorry to hijack the thread just a touch ChickenPinz..............and thanks rmel for the bead info.............much appreciated.
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No problem on the mild highjack!

On my wheels, I did some hand-sanding and also walnut shell blasting (they decompose in the yard). Then I coated with a rust-converter paint, then a green camo paint that matches the truck pretty darn closely.
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Ditto on the Dyna beads - excellent product with no issues.
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rmel wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:51 amSome folks have gone the DIY route with BB's and other substitutes materials.
After some trial and error with my 255/85R16 BFG KM3s I definitely recommend against the BB/DIY approach. Specifically, the larger/heavier (per bead) airsoft BBs don't disperse as early as proper balancing beads. In my case this meant a ~5mph window, at ~30mph-35mph, where I could feel the tires out of balance before the BBs would disperse properly and balance the tire. Moving to the proper same weight per tire balancing beads remedied the issue. It seems clear that the smaller/lighter (per bead) balancing beads begin to disperse and balance the tire at lower speeds and eliminate that out of balance window that I was experiencing with my tire make/model/size.
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