80% on road, 20% off road, which tires to choose?

Issues with shocks/springs, tires, stopping, etc.
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Post by David Dunn » Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:15 pm

Buy a tire that you can readily get replaced, in case of a blow-out.
The best tire in the world is worthless if you have to wait days or weeks for a replacement. Buy a brand you feel comfortable with, and a dealer either has in-stock, or can get quickly.
Everyone here will have horror stories on ever manufacturer, and you can't be sure if it is justified, or because they hit something just right, or they wore out because the wheel adjustment or shocks weren't maintain... let alone, too high or low air pressure, or not rotating the tires ( on the rims)... The Pinz's swing axle design requires tires rotated on the rim to wear on the inside of the tire.

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Post by ka » Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:28 pm

that short tire life prob is directly related to traction, ime. softer rubber STICKS. when i discovered the extreme traction of radial swampers (a couple versions) on my 1990 burban i was very willing to accept the "non-highway tire" lifespan. it's so fun to actually STICK to stuff. i dont even remember how long they lasted cuz i wasn't paying attention. those swampers were amazing. i bet a pinz would love them, especially since you'd be doing only 68 mph max. right?
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Post by ABSOLUTSECURITY » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:51 am

Jim LaGuardia wrote:Brian. are you having a battle of wits and knowledge with an un-armed person :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :P
A small reminder Glen, forums are for the exchange of idea's , i.e. "discussions and opinions"
It's a "Free speech" thing :roll:
Thats probably why I only listen mostly to you, Dave, Brian and Scott!!!

LOL!!!!!!!

I like facts from sage wisdom!

Not peoples un informed opinions.

In my opinion FORUMS are are a place for people of the same interest to get informed, tried and true facts about what they are all interested in so that they dont have to go out and try this and try that and waste time and energy to get to the best end result. SO people saying "some guy that knows some guy that sells this says that isnt any good" isnt doing anyone anything and not worth the time it takes to read it! I would much rather hear someone ask a question and have an informed response like I am used to hearing from you Oldtimers!!! :wink:


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Post by Erik712m » Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:36 am

ABSOLUTSECURITY wrote:
Jim LaGuardia wrote:Brian. are you having a battle of wits and knowledge with an un-armed person :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :P
A small reminder Glen, forums are for the exchange of idea's , i.e. "discussions and opinions"
It's a "Free speech" thing :roll:
Thats probably why I only listen mostly to you, Dave, Brian and Scott!!!

LOL!!!!!!!

I like facts from sage wisdom!

Not peoples un informed opinions.

In my opinion FORUMS are are a place for people of the same interest to get informed, tried and true facts about what they are all interested in so that they dont have to go out and try this and try that and waste time and energy to get to the best end result. SO people saying "some guy that knows some guy that sells this says that isnt any good" isnt doing anyone anything and not worth the time it takes to read it! I would much rather hear someone ask a question and have an informed response like I am used to hearing from you Oldtimers!!! :wink:


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Not sure if you wrote this based on my comments? But if so you may what to go back and reread if you can. The Opinion was mine no one else's. The tire store tried to sell me the tires commented on by you. Based on what I read on the data sheet (I) Thought there was a better option. Again just my Opinion.
Next time if you go flaming you may what to know what you're flaming about.

Just my two cents.

If your two cents differ show me on the tire data sheet. why you think this tire is a 80% street tire that ends all. Or I guess you can tell me sense you bought them they must be good for all applications and thats the end of the story every one should agree. :lol:

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Post by pinzinator » Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:31 am

I run Goodyear Wrangler MT 285/75/16 on aftermarket 8" Pinzgauer steel wheels. In 6 years and 20,000 miles I never had a problem, never even had to add air. I drive the 80/20 road/offroad ratio, maybe 85/15. The tires are due to be replaced this year, and I plan to go back with the same ones. Recently a valve stem was accidentally kicked off while a passenger was entering, so I had zero air in the right front tire. The vehicle barely listed, and I was able to get to a tire shop, which was less than 1000 feet away, lucky for me. In the future I were 10 miles off road and this would have happen, I now know I can hobble home slowly in an emergency. Yes, I carry an inflated spare.

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Post by djb_rh » Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:43 am

Pinzinator, which wheels are you running? And do you have any pics of your pinz with this wheel/tire combo? I'm looking at going with some 8" wheels myself...


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Post by pinzinator » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:09 pm

My wheels are factory Pinzgauer wheels, painted OD with all the stampings and appearance, but have been widened to 8" with the correct offset. Send me you email address and I'll send some photos.

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Post by Dreadnought » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:22 pm

Gentlemen, may I add my experience and ask a polite question? Now I know that conditions around the world and from state to state differ immensely, but is there a very good reason why a lot of you seem to go for wider tyres? I take delivery of my 1972 Pinzgauer 710K with a Mercedes 2.9liter diesel conversion, in about ten days time, it has a set of 3/4 worn Maloyas, which I intend to replace soon (it will be driven in muddy lanes and chalk hills mostly) I do intend to put on a set of new Goodyear G90s at size 7.50x16....are these tyres not available stateside? or not thought highly of? over here they are the combat tyre of choice of the British Army for their Fleet of "Wolf" Landrovers, which are 2 Tons odd and need a tough tyre. I have used G 90s on my Landrovers for many years and I am running them now on a 1969 Diesel SWB Series 2A Landrover, nothing much defeats them, until the spring seats and U Bolts get hung up. They have the advantage of being Radials and have a very good ride and excellent road grip (once you find the right pressures for your vehicle) in my experience for an agressive tyre they are long lasting as well. I know that the lastest Pinzguaers used by the British Army have a completely different tyre size (8.25X16) in Goodyear ORD Militarys (probably prohibitively expensive.) Has anyone fitted 8.25X16 Tyres to an older Pinz (without fouling and rubbing?)
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Post by ABSOLUTSECURITY » Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:35 pm

Erik712m wrote:
ABSOLUTSECURITY wrote:
Jim LaGuardia wrote:Brian. are you having a battle of wits and knowledge with an un-armed person :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :P
A small reminder Glen, forums are for the exchange of idea's , i.e. "discussions and opinions"
It's a "Free speech" thing :roll:
Thats probably why I only listen mostly to you, Dave, Brian and Scott!!!

LOL!!!!!!!

I like facts from sage wisdom!

Not peoples un informed opinions.

In my opinion FORUMS are are a place for people of the same interest to get informed, tried and true facts about what they are all interested in so that they dont have to go out and try this and try that and waste time and energy to get to the best end result. SO people saying "some guy that knows some guy that sells this says that isnt any good" isnt doing anyone anything and not worth the time it takes to read it! I would much rather hear someone ask a question and have an informed response like I am used to hearing from you Oldtimers!!! :wink:


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Not sure if you wrote this based on my comments? But if so you may what to go back and reread if you can. The Opinion was mine no one else's. The tire store tried to sell me the tires commented on by you. Based on what I read on the data sheet (I) Thought there was a better option. Again just my Opinion.
Next time if you go flaming you may what to know what you're flaming about.

Just my two cents.

If your two cents differ show me on the tire data sheet. why you think this tire is a 80% street tire that ends all. Or I guess you can tell me sense you bought them they must be good for all applications and thats the end of the story every one should agree. :lol:

Oh you said that! LOL!

My appologies to your tire guy!!!!!!! :oops:

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Post by ka » Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:59 pm

dreadnought - do you have a link showing the goodyear tire g90 you refer to? i cant find it anywhere.
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Post by Erik712m » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:06 pm

http://www.ityre.com/en/tyres/catalog/g ... odel/1334/



vdreadnought - do you have a link showing the goodyear tire g90 you refer to? i cant find it anywhere.

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Post by ka » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:23 pm

thx erik. ... that is one strange looking tread. sure would like to try a set. so we cant get those in the us?
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Post by Jim LaGuardia » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:30 pm

Only if they are DOT rated.
But you could probably get a set installed in Canada as they are UK spec tires.

Dave's statment is the best guideline when seeking tires.
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Post by Dreadnought » Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:33 pm

For Erik, Ka and jim....I just went out to my garage and had a close look at my G90s They have on the sidewalls. USA CANADA Codes D28 DOT NWWY 2FN4 2407 they then go on to give details of load ratings, number of plies in tread/sidewalls etc it is an overall 10 ply tyre. I can post all the weight ratings which are given in lbs (thousands of) but this tyre is capable of much bigger weights than a Pinzgauer fully loaded. Supplementary to my earlier info...this tyre, in my opinion is one of the quiestest I have used, it is not a "howler" on either hot, wet sticky black top or cold sufaces...we all know what things are usually like, great tyre off road, but bloody deafens you on the road at anything over 10MPH. So the G90 is a great all rounder and the set I got came off a Landrover 130 extra LWB rated for about 2 and a half to 3 Ton loads and were pressured to 55psi. (the Landrover was being converted to armoured spec for TV crews/security types in hot sandy places where copper/brass and lead is prevalent in the atmosphere!!!!! and the weight of the vehicle would go to nearer 3 Tons and need "run flat" tyres. So you should in theory be able to order these tyres. Here the most expensive G90s I have seen is £130 each and the cheapest £94 each new. (Don,t forget everything costs twice as much here....crazy French/german socialists.)
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Post by Erik712m » Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:35 pm

Dave's statment is the best guideline when seeking tires.
Couldn't agree more.


Brian, I am sorry if I afended you in any way. I have always looked up to you and what you have done for this community. Again Sorry. Someone pm'd me an educational lesson on why you might have chosen Truxs over ltb.

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