Doetsch tech shocks

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Re: Doetsch tech shocks

Post by Andre » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:49 pm

poor truck.
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Re: Doetsch tech shocks

Post by Nomad » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:34 pm

Just for the record....

I bought a set of Doetsch shocks from Scott. While working on the truck recently I discovered the old Rancho 9000's are toast. Rather than play around with expensive bypass shocks, ect ect ect I just went with what was affordable and works well.

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Re: Doetsch tech shocks UPDATE

Post by Pinz710m2 » Fri May 02, 2014 9:19 am

I bought a set of 8132s and just installed them. What an
amazing difference.

The top bearing issue that I read about has been corrected.
The bolts fit just fine. However, the bearing is slightly longer
than stock ... preventing it from fitting into the space provided
under the driver. We ground off a corner of the bearing,
allowing it to fit into the space.

Note: regarding the other posts about the driver side bolt -
yes, it sucks to get to. Had to use an induction coil to heat
it up to get it loose. Little bit of a PIA.

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Re: Doetsch tech shocks

Post by KINGWAAR4X4 » Sun Jun 22, 2014 1:45 am

TechMOGogy wrote:I agree with undysworld (broken bolts and its been done with Rancho and Doetsch shocks) but it is also good to sometimes question why something is the way it is - not just this shock question.
I find in the 'older' vehicle world that certain things get done a few times and then that becomes 'the way' it should be done (and ultimately it is good reason - like it works so why question it).
One example I thought about yesterday was E track.
Someone added it to the back of a truck for seatbelts and now that seems to be 'the way' to add seatbelts to the back of a Pinz. Now there is nothing wrong with it and it obviously works but there are many other ways, like airplane track or just bolting them in. E track is really not that strong unless all the bolt holes are able to take load.
I think sometimes it is good to question how things are done and at least investigate other options - we would never learn anything new if someone didn't question and experiment.
Dan

Edit: I know of a 710M that used Bilstein 5125 series Medium valve shocks for the past few years.
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Re: Doetsch tech shocks

Post by undysworld » Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:21 am

Hi and welcome to this forum.

I'm not sure exactly what you are asking here. Do you wish to know model numbers of the shocks involved? Or are you looking for physical dimensions of them?

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Re: Doetsch tech shocks

Post by KINGWAAR4X4 » Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:33 am

undysworld wrote:Hi and welcome to this forum.

I'm not sure exactly what you are asking here. Do you wish to know model numbers of the shocks involved? Or are you looking for physical dimensions of them?
Hallo! :D - ***model numbers of the shocks involved?** Thx!!!!!

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Re: Doetsch tech shocks

Post by undysworld » Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:55 am

I was running some shocks from NAPA when I broke rear mounting bolts. I do not recall the part number. But I'll assume that you do not live in the US, so they probably aren't available to you anyway.

I currently run the Rancho non-adjustable shocks. I believe they are the RS5000 as shown here: http://www.pinzgauer.com/showdetails.ph ... no=SAV7500 If I remember correctly, Rancho also makes an adjustable version too (RS9000?).

I believe TechMOGogy was agreeing with two of my previous comments: 1) That broken bolts can result from problem shocks, and 2) That the Rancho and Doetsch shocks had already proven themselves to be good choices of shocks.

I hope this helps.

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Re: Doetsch tech shocks

Post by KINGWAAR4X4 » Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:03 pm

undysworld wrote:I was running some shocks from NAPA when I broke rear mounting bolts. I do not recall the part number. But I'll assume t........
I hope this helps.
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Re: Doetsch tech shocks

Post by Profpinz » Mon Jun 23, 2014 3:06 am

Drill the axle tubes through to accept the long single bolt (as per later model Pinny's) and you'll never break a shocker bolt again.
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Re: Doetsch tech shocks

Post by undysworld » Mon Jun 23, 2014 5:07 am

I believe that Peter is correct about this modification. I through-drilled the two that I snapped, replaced them with longer bolts, and have not had a repeat problem. (The original bolts snapped where the threads met the shank. The longer bolts have longer shanks.) But I also replaced those NAPA shocks with the Ranchos, so who knows the true fix was?

FWIW, I do not recall anyone with the Rancho shocks snapping bolts. I suspect the NAPAs were somehow at fault. ???

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Re: Doetsch tech shocks

Post by Pinz710m2 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:35 am

One note about the Rancho shocks. They rust incredibly fast.
I had a set of those that rusted before they wore out. If you
get the Rancho, you might consider having them powder coated.
The suggestion was put to me and I ignored it, finding out later
that I should have listened. (Or bought a different shock)

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Re: Doetsch tech shocks

Post by edzz » Mon Jun 23, 2014 6:33 pm

Pinz710m2 wrote:One note about the Rancho shocks. They rust incredibly fast.
I had a set of those that rusted before they wore out. If you
get the Rancho, you might consider having them powder coated.
The suggestion was put to me and I ignored it, finding out later
that I should have listened. (Or bought a different shock)

Powder coat assembled shocks? The powder I use requires ~20 minuets at 400 degrees I don't know if a set of shocks could take that without problems they may be fine with it however I don't think I want to be the tester.

Are there low cure temperature powders that I don't know about?

A different option maybe air cure Cerakote if cost isn't an issue.

While I do like powder coating I'm not totally sold on it for all applications due to the difficulties when it needs touching up.
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Re: Doetsch tech shocks

Post by undysworld » Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:04 pm

My Ranchos have held up without much rust for several years, however I do not drive the truck in the winter. When I bought my current Toyota p/u, it came with Ranchos in the rear and they were somewhat rusty. One lower eye actually broke off when I crossed a ditch at a slight angle. (Of course, I live in the Great Wisconsin Salt Zone.)

I've never heard of a low-temp powder coating either. Must be something new. 8)

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Re: Doetsch tech shocks

Post by berger » Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:39 pm

Are the Ranchos not more money or at the very least the same price as the Doetsch? I thought you guys were all about supporting Pinz vendors!! :o

Get the Doetsch.

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Re: Doetsch tech shocks

Post by Pinz710m2 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:59 pm

I was told that they can lower the temp and cook them longer.
But that's neither here nor there. It's like talking to a 5 year
old. The point is that Ranchos rust. Take that into consideration.
I just installed the Doetsch about a month or two ago. I'm hoping
the Doetsch don't rust as quickly. At $234 for a whole set,
in a few years I can always get another set if they do.

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