Newbie with lots of questions...

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Bobby Bourgoin
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Newbie with lots of questions...

Post by Bobby Bourgoin » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:19 pm

Greetings;
I will try to keep this short but I have lots of questions....
Start with a short intro; I live in Canada (Quebec City) where we get lots of snow and really cold temperatures (-40 C or F comes out to the same), and highs in summer around 40C or 100F...
I drove trucks for the Military for 15 years. But I'm not very mechanically inclined.
I am thinking of getting a Pinz 712m as a daily driver and week-end off-roader.
Now for the questions;
-Can a torque converter be added between the clutch and engine? (I know funny set-up, but prevents riding the clutch when crawling and keeps the control of a manual tranny)
-I was thinking of adding an electric power steering what would be best?
-How about and aftermarket overdrive, something like Gear Vendors? I'm not wanting to go faster than 90-100km/h (55-60mph), just bring the rpms a little lower.
-Can a larger gas tank be installed that would take up the place of the old one and the jerry can spot?
-What is the size (stock and max) of the tires (will be looking to upgrade those asap)?
-Being an air cooled engine, does placing a winch in the front of the grill, just above the bumper cause any problems?
- Is there enough room next to the tube that goes from the rear axle to the pintle hook, for a rear mounted winch?
-How's the heat work? Any suggestions on aftermarket heat/ac?
-I will/would like to add quit a bit of electrical (lights, sound system, heated mirrors, CB radio, GPS....) Can the alternator be upgraded or a second one added?
I still have some questions but I guess this post is long enough.

THANKS

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Re: Newbie with lots of questions...

Post by TechMOGogy » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:38 pm

Welcome
Be sure to fill out your location in your profile too!
Search can help with many of your questions.

Now for the questions;
-Can a torque converter be added between the clutch and engine? (I know funny set-up, but prevents riding the clutch when crawling and keeps the control of a manual tranny)
This one I would say no!

-I was thinking of adding an electric power steering what would be best?
EI system: https://www.expedition-imports.com/Pinz ... c_331.html

-How about and aftermarket overdrive, something like Gear Vendors? I'm not wanting to go faster than 90-100km/h (55-60mph), just bring the rpms a little lower.
See this thread:viewtopic.php?f=18&t=8909
Not easy and lots of custom engineering and machining

-Can a larger gas tank be installed that would take up the place of the old one and the jerry can spot?
Yes talk to Andre from Fat Fabrications: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=10818&p=81090&hilit=andre#p81090

-What is the size (stock and max) of the tires (will be looking to upgrade those asap)?
Many run 255/85R16 but some run 285/75R16 but some report a bit of rubbing at full crank.

-Being an air cooled engine, does placing a winch in the front of the grill, just above the bumper cause any problems?
No

- Is there enough room next to the tube that goes from the rear axle to the pintle hook, for a rear mounted winch?
See this thread: viewtopic.php?p=80758#p80758

-How's the heat work? Any suggestions on aftermarket heat/ac?
Canadian cold and it won't keep up but I get hot when it's just above zero out)
Many after market ones like a BN4 from a Pinz Ambulance (you can search BN4)
Also many aftermarket units out there that can be adapted to work

-I will/would like to add quit a bit of electrical (lights, sound system, heated mirrors, CB radio, GPS....) Can the alternator be upgraded or a second one added?
Check out GadgetPhreak's build thread re: Roof Rack, he has a ton of lights and radios

Enjoy and read the forum - I started at the top and went through every post :)
Cheers,
Dan
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Re: Newbie with lots of questions...

Post by undysworld » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:45 pm

Hi Bobby,
Welcome. I'll take a shot at answering some of those. Others will offer different opinions, I expect. EDIT, I see Dan already did.

I am thinking of getting a Pinz 712m as a daily driver and week-end off-roader.
They are maintenance heavy, so perhaps not the best daily driver. But hey, knock yourself out. You have driven/ridden one already, I assume? They are noisy, slow, etc. in addition to being great trucks.

Now for the questions;
-Can a torque converter be added between the clutch and engine? (I know funny set-up, but prevents riding the clutch when crawling and keeps the control of a manual tranny)
I doubt it. Just let the clutch out and stay out of it.

-I was thinking of adding an electric power steering what would be best?
EI sells 'em. See link at top of page. Unless you're going to design your own, but as you said about not being mechanically inclined...

-How about and aftermarket overdrive, something like Gear Vendors? I'm not wanting to go faster than 90-100km/h (55-60mph), just bring the rpms a little lower.
I think you'll find a lack of power if you overdrive it much. Getting 55mph out of a 90hp engine in a 712 takes most of what you've got.

-Can a larger gas tank be installed that would take up the place of the old one and the jerry can spot?
Yes. Andre and others make them.

-What is the size (stock and max) of the tires (will be looking to upgrade those asap)?
I don't remember. Do a search, because this topic has been covered many times, ad nauseum. You generally can't go too much bigger without rubbing, unless you use spacers. Rubbing can lead to big failures if the wheel drive rotates on the axle stub.

-Being an air cooled engine, does placing a winch in the front of the grill, just above the bumper cause any problems?
No.

- Is there enough room next to the tube that goes from the rear axle to the pintle hook, for a rear mounted winch?
Again, search. Dave Dunn had a nice setup which was shown recently, mounted to the pintle mount. I'm not sure if you'd have room beside it or not. Might depend on the winch? I'd think the center would be stronger.

-How's the heat work? Any suggestions on aftermarket heat/ac?
What heat? Ever ridden in an old VW bug? It's marginal in cold regions, but improved with insulated duct. I think most guys use a diesel heater nowdays. I recently heard of a Russian one. Can't recall the brand right now...

-I will/would like to add quit a bit of electrical (lights, sound system, heated mirrors, CB radio, GPS....) Can the alternator be upgraded or a second one added?
I've heard of guys getting a bit more out of the stock alternator, but I don't have specifics. Mounting a second one would probably require a double pulley, which might be a challenge. Again, a search should provide you with details on what's been tried before. Focus on low amp devices too.

Good luck, and enjoy.
Paul
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Re: Newbie with lots of questions...

Post by undysworld » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:47 pm

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Re: Newbie with lots of questions...

Post by bbolander » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:07 pm

265/75R16 is a good tire size, similar to the OEM diameter and about an inch wider. BFG MT KM2's have a military look to them. No spacers required, stock wheels OK and no rubbing.
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Re: Newbie with lots of questions...

Post by David Dunn » Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:02 pm

For everything you're wanting to change on a 712M, buy a 718 :wink: . They are out there with auto trans, improved road speeds, standard power steering, real heat, larger fuel tank, 100amp alternator.

Being in Canada, you could import up to a 2002 gray market vehicle (vehicles over 15 years old for Canada). If you can find a LHD 718 and get over the 'sticker shock', you'd probably have at least that much into a 712 after your mods.
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Re: Newbie with lots of questions...

Post by Bobby Bourgoin » Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:43 pm

David Dunn, trouble is finding a LHD 718... And getting it imported, and licensed.
In Montreal (about 2.5 hour drive from here) there is a guy that import/sells Pinzes, and when I talked to him he said 718 are impossible to get. Ok 712 are HARD to get but still easier than 718s...

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Post by David Dunn » Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:53 pm

Oh, you don't need to tell me about TDs. LOL Up to 2000, there were less than 6000 total 716/718 Pinzes made.. hardtop/softtop and LHD/RHD, and a little over 1200 afterwards, almost all RHD.

It's just a bit easier to import into Canada than the USA because of the 15 year... Whereas all the SDP made TDs are available to you, roughly only 2500 are importable to the US, at this time :wink: ... if you're not picky on body and what side you sit on to steer. :lol:

As for impossible, this last year, a 718M and 718K had both had come up for sale in the US and another 718M imported, all LHD, on top of the occasional SOCOM Pinz being re-sold.
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Post by audiocontr » Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:57 pm

$30k range?
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Post by TechMOGogy » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:32 pm

I know where some fully restored 718M's will be!
Have everything and are manual.
They will not be cheap but if your serious PM me (like David said, with all the changes you want to make to 712 you may well be at the same price point).
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Post by audiocontr » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:12 am

TechMOGogy wrote:I know where some fully restored 718M's will be!
Have everything and are manual.
They will not be cheap but if your serious PM me (like David said, with all the changes you want to make to 712 you may well be at the same price point).
Share with us all?
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Re: Newbie with lots of questions...

Post by TechMOGogy » Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:51 pm

audiocontr wrote:
TechMOGogy wrote:I know where some fully restored 718M's will be!
Have everything and are manual.
They will not be cheap but if your serious PM me (like David said, with all the changes you want to make to 712 you may well be at the same price point).
Share with us all?
I am not a fully vested partner as of yet so I will let the driver of the bus comment on the open forum.
If you PM me I am happy to share
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