Amphibious alternative to the Pinz?

[audiocontr]

Can you think of any amphibious alternatives to a pinz that isn't outrageously priced (like a DUKW)?

I live on a lake now that I would love to roll the truck into.

[Andre]

Would a Schwimmwagon work?
http://schwimmwagenreplica.com/index.html

[Haf-e]

How about a "coot" ? Pretty simple and can be found cheap...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_RgN2pyPos

I think the replica schwimwagens are not 4wd unfortunately - which would make getting it out of a lake pretty difficult.

[GenevaPinz]

Would a Schwimmwagon work?
http://schwimmwagenreplica.com/index.html

I almost choked after the OP mentionned "not outrageously priced" and you mentionned the Schwimmwagen, as originals are well into six-figures. Then I noticed "replica"... Thanks for the sharing the link, Andre! It seems unfortunately that Ford GPA amphibious Jeeps are in the same price range, which would then veer us towards less "conventional" designs.

The Coot is a good idea. A Supacat might be more practical and I believe can be road-registered.

[undysworld]

Some guy in Michigan (IIRC) has had an Alvis Stalwart for sale a few times on ebay that I don't believe ever sold. I believe it was advertised as seaworthy still. Came with a crane and fold-down sides if memory serves.

[TechMOGogy]

Gama Goat or a Hagglund BV206

[stiffler4444]

I believe getting into the Alvis Stalwart or the Gamma Goat would negate the cost effective approach. Preventative maintenance let alone demand maintenance on these would be a deal killer for me....

[63rover]

How about an Argo 6x6 or 8x8? There are also other similar vehicles in the $10+ market new. You can even put an outboard on the back.

Cheers, Clive

[David Dunn]

Well, to play Devil’s Advocate ( did I say play? ) .

My first question would be if you want to road register it, or strictly off road and water?

The Schimmwagon replica couldn’t be imported to the US, as it is new manufacture and must meet DOT and EPA.

The Coot is another ATV and not road legal.

The Stalwart is basically a 20k lb 6 wheel drive that’s no faster than a Haffy and not suitable for hard surfaces because of the ‘wind up’ of the wheel drives., and is around 102” wide and 20’ long. I’ve been thinking of one of these for 15 years, and it only takes a few minutes why not to have one every time the desire arises.

Gama Goat will make your Pinz like a sound proof Mercedes compare to the noise that 2 stroke Detroit diesel makes.

Hagglunds are also around 20’ long and not street legal due to no steerable wheels ( steering by articulating the front/rear sections)..


As far as the Supacats, MK2 and newer do have steerable wheels (along with skid steer). They do have all the typical safety devices as most road vehicles… headlamps, tail lamps, brake/turn lamps, horn, and 4 point seat belts.
In Cal, I did get one road registered as SE ( special equipment) , and did manage to get insurance ( and I wouldn’t know if you’d need to or could in any other state).
On the road, it is limited to 25 mph (though capable of 40)... there are points both for and against Supacats

These Gibbs seem interesting, if you’re not concern about road registering.
http://www.gibbssports.com/quadski

[audiocontr]

David - You're a mad man! and beat me to most of my response. I love it!

What do you know about the M656? Is it amphibious, or a serious forder? pun intended.

My first question would be if you want to road register it, or strictly off road and water?

On road

The Schimmwagon replica couldn’t be imported to the US, as it is new manufacture and must meet DOT and EPA.

I researched these last night and agree. There is some gray market here that i would like to avoid. Awesome idea, and if they werent so expensive, they would be perfect!

The Coot is another ATV and not road legal.

agreed, still an awesome little vehicle

The Stalwart is basically a 20k lb 6 wheel drive that’s no faster than a Haffy and not suitable for hard surfaces because of the ‘wind up’ of the wheel drives., and is around 102” wide and 20’ long. I’ve been thinking of one of these for 15 years, and it only takes a few minutes why not to have one every time the desire arises.

Yup. Saw the one here in in Michigan. Its what had me start my daydreaming, and realization of practicality. =(

Gama Goat will make your Pinz like a sound proof Mercedes compare to the noise that 2 stroke Detroit diesel makes.

Thank you, didnt consider the noise. This was on my short list

Hagglunds are also around 20’ long and not street legal due to no steerable wheels ( steering by articulating the front/rear sections)..

Yup

As far as the Supacats, MK2 and newer do have steerable wheels (along with skid steer). They do have all the typical safety devices as most road vehicles… headlamps, tail lamps, brake/turn lamps, horn, and 4 point seat belts.
In Cal, I did get one road registered as SE ( special equipment) , and did manage to get insurance ( and I wouldn’t know if you’d need to or could in any other state).
On the road, it is limited to 25 mph (though capable of 40)... there are points both for and against Supacats

I researched these last night as well. Watched the video with the inflatable side bags for buoyancy. On the VERY short list

These Gibbs seem interesting, if you’re not concern about road registering.
http://www.gibbssports.com/quadski

That went to Facebook immediately. Thats mid life crisis written all over it!

[audiocontr]

It seems unfortunately that Ford GPA amphibious Jeeps are in the same price range, which would then veer us towards less "conventional" designs.
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This would have been perfect, even with all their shortcomings! Perfect for the area, perfect for my employer, all and all a fantastic choice - but not at the $90k price tag!

[audiocontr]

Would a Schwimmwagon work?
http://schwimmwagenreplica.com/index.html

I was excited when i read how many were produced. Choked when I read current cost.

[David Dunn]

On Supacats

I researched these last night as well. Watched the video with the inflatable side bags for buoyancy. On the VERY short list

Where did you see the video with the side bags? I had heard that they had been used, but never seen any. Supposedly to help the freeboard. I have seen them with the old Series LRs back in the '60s.
The Supacats aren't known as the best of swimmers, but they do weigh almost 4x that of any of the ATVs. Payload restrictions on land vs water don't help when the driver doesn't remember and trys swimming with 2600 lbs of payload instead of 900. The movie " Run silent, Run Deep" comes to mind.
They do require training to drive correctly... they do love to porpoise on the road at speed if you don't play attention to road conditions. An "E" ride

[cascade.king]

Gama Goats are also articulated, with 4 wheel non-self-centering steering and, as such, are TERRIFYING and EXHAUSTING to drive at speed, on a twisting road, or in traffic..

[totaljoint]

No, no, no. You're all on the wrong track!
Amphibious alternative to the pinz? Already in USA?
This is what Audiocontr is looking for:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Russian-BTR60-P ... 1958541643