I keep seeing these things in the parking lot at the local high schools (sorry but our econmy is holding up OK) and page after page of them for sale on eBay for what seems like not much money.
Here's the question, if you have a soon to be 16 year old kid in the market for a car, you do you consider a Jeep (I still refer to them as CJ-5s) or would one of these $5K to $9K Discoverys be a viable alternative or are they such piles of $hit that the maintenance will just eat me alive and we should go with something like a 5 year old Tahoe?
Any wisdom for parents of driving age kids will be appreciated.
Actually a Land Rover Discovery question
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texas pinzgauer
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Actually a Land Rover Discovery question
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Thats a tough call. Im a former LR tech, and I love the things. They are cheap and easy to work on if you know what your doing and have the right connections. My family currently ownes three discovery II's they are pretty descent for the most part. However two of them have had persistent problems that my dad and bro refuse to fix the right way. My dads has an engine sensor fault that he cannot figure out, and my brothers has a traction control problem. The traction control problem has been disregarded as he just put a center diff lock into it and will have arbs in just before Tgiving. The other truck has been flawless and is great. All three do have interior problems, mainly the head liners suck and droop and fall. For the price they are a good buy. I do prefer the discovery I in terms of the mechanics. They are far better suited to mod and offroad. But the bodies of the disco I are for poop.
I just got done driving the better of the three for about 4 months. It was nice compared to my daily driver 712M
Now, I used to also drive a 1994 2 door chevy K5 blazer. It was bullet proof in terms of daily driving. far better down the road, had guts to pull a trailer etc. The interior was Fair. repair was ok, and parts have only gotten cheaper since I had mine in 94.
Now, the answer to your question. If I had a teenage "girl" and I had both a mid 90's blazer etc and a disco II in the driveway, she would be driving the Blazer. I say that only because the body work on the blazer is cheap compared to the disco. Now a teenage "boy" would get an option based on if he was interested in real 4wheeling. But I guess i would likely put him into the blazer for a bit before I handed over the disco.
Now, If I was bleeding money from my ears, I might go for the disco everytime.
If I was picking one for myself, and towing wasent a major consideration, I would go for the disco and put some money into the interior.
Hope that made some sense, cause Im still sorta floundering on the subject. Especially since someone is giving me a disco II in a couple months.
I really just want my D-90 back.
I just got done driving the better of the three for about 4 months. It was nice compared to my daily driver 712M
Now, I used to also drive a 1994 2 door chevy K5 blazer. It was bullet proof in terms of daily driving. far better down the road, had guts to pull a trailer etc. The interior was Fair. repair was ok, and parts have only gotten cheaper since I had mine in 94.
Now, the answer to your question. If I had a teenage "girl" and I had both a mid 90's blazer etc and a disco II in the driveway, she would be driving the Blazer. I say that only because the body work on the blazer is cheap compared to the disco. Now a teenage "boy" would get an option based on if he was interested in real 4wheeling. But I guess i would likely put him into the blazer for a bit before I handed over the disco.
Now, If I was bleeding money from my ears, I might go for the disco everytime.
If I was picking one for myself, and towing wasent a major consideration, I would go for the disco and put some money into the interior.
Hope that made some sense, cause Im still sorta floundering on the subject. Especially since someone is giving me a disco II in a couple months.
I really just want my D-90 back.
LR question
When I lived in WA, only a short time ago, I was (and still am) a member of an off road group that was started as a LR organization. Almost to a man (PC?) they would not trade their LR's for anything, bot they all work on them or take them to the Colombia Rovers shop in Seattle for the major repairs. I was the only pinz in the group. There are some rovers that have more problems than others, I'm told.
Northwest Overland Society is the group. Look them up for some background or ask Dennis at LinDen for some tips on which one to get. Dennis does lots of work on landies and knows a thing or two. Also Prof. Pinz down under has much experience with landies.
Morris
Northwest Overland Society is the group. Look them up for some background or ask Dennis at LinDen for some tips on which one to get. Dennis does lots of work on landies and knows a thing or two. Also Prof. Pinz down under has much experience with landies.
Morris
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I have a huge LR clientele and some of them are teens with parents who have funded the purchase---AND the repairs!
Currently we fix about 7 to 8 Landrovers weekly.
As for buying a D1's they came into the country late in '94 and up to late 95 they had the 3.9 engine installed with a distributor. This is the easy was to identify the engine by that feature! These trucks tend to be cheap to buy (expect to pay $2500 up for something in fair condition).
Up graded from '96 onwards came the 4.00 with no distributer, some were manuals as were the the earlier versions.
If you are interested in these trucks expect to pay $3500 and up for something good.
Now the faults---3.9's weren't as bad as 4.00's for oil leaks--some can pee oil!
Pan,valve covers, valley gaskets, coolant lines, rear main seal and T/case.
The ABS systems are often down on these units and can get spendy to fix. You need a factory style scanner to diagnose alot of this stuff the Independants who are all things to all men often don't have the kit to scan the works on these cars!
Climbing into one look for bad window regulators, seats that won't electronically slide/tilt, headliners falling, sun roofs that don't close.
If its an East Coast car look for rust holing at the passengers' rear door openings (pillar roots/wheel arch).
If there is one thing they are famous for is head gasket failure and liner slippage caused by overheating. So in short you should not buy one without a thorough LR specialist overcheck. One's with a service history that have been well maintained can provide very troublefree motoring but they are heavy on the service maintenance to keep it that way!
The D2's came out in late 1999 and have the later Bosch controlled 4.00 and 4.6 engines with fully electronic transmission. These are a nice well mannered SUV and nicer to drive than a D1 incl the pepp!
Alot of work was done to improve oil tightness but the head gasket problem remains on these models! Again a service history is the way to go when deciding and both me and the missus have one each! (2001 & 2002)
There is a 3rd row seating option on these models and air suspension is a further option--very nice and our cars have this! Again further complication as is the ACE cornering enhancement that can be spendy to fix!-----Again factory style scanners are needed for the body and ABS (SLABS) systems...So its a specialist repair centre for these as well.
One thing on these units is the front prop shaft and wear! Neglected the loss of grease in the U/Js (cooked out by Cat heat reflection) will cause VERY rapid wear of the joints eventually resulting in detachment and transmission/ floor/Cat damage!
So beware and check this if you find a nice 'un!
Expect to pay anything from $5500 up for nice specimens and in excess (17K) for the later 2003/2004 with the facelift. Large headlamps and air dams!
I have utter confidence in all the LR's I have owned. All have given me great service although the D1 simply defied oil tighteness!
I have bundled all the kids into my D2 on a few occasions and took off to Butte,Montana and Sandpoint Idaho doing as steady 85 all the way. Nice long legged comfortable ride.
If you need buying advise or a specimen call me!
Dennis
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I have a huge LR clientele and some of them are teens with parents who have funded the purchase---AND the repairs!
Currently we fix about 7 to 8 Landrovers weekly.
As for buying a D1's they came into the country late in '94 and up to late 95 they had the 3.9 engine installed with a distributor. This is the easy was to identify the engine by that feature! These trucks tend to be cheap to buy (expect to pay $2500 up for something in fair condition).
Up graded from '96 onwards came the 4.00 with no distributer, some were manuals as were the the earlier versions.
If you are interested in these trucks expect to pay $3500 and up for something good.
Now the faults---3.9's weren't as bad as 4.00's for oil leaks--some can pee oil!
Pan,valve covers, valley gaskets, coolant lines, rear main seal and T/case.
The ABS systems are often down on these units and can get spendy to fix. You need a factory style scanner to diagnose alot of this stuff the Independants who are all things to all men often don't have the kit to scan the works on these cars!
Climbing into one look for bad window regulators, seats that won't electronically slide/tilt, headliners falling, sun roofs that don't close.
If its an East Coast car look for rust holing at the passengers' rear door openings (pillar roots/wheel arch).
If there is one thing they are famous for is head gasket failure and liner slippage caused by overheating. So in short you should not buy one without a thorough LR specialist overcheck. One's with a service history that have been well maintained can provide very troublefree motoring but they are heavy on the service maintenance to keep it that way!
The D2's came out in late 1999 and have the later Bosch controlled 4.00 and 4.6 engines with fully electronic transmission. These are a nice well mannered SUV and nicer to drive than a D1 incl the pepp!
Alot of work was done to improve oil tightness but the head gasket problem remains on these models! Again a service history is the way to go when deciding and both me and the missus have one each! (2001 & 2002)
There is a 3rd row seating option on these models and air suspension is a further option--very nice and our cars have this! Again further complication as is the ACE cornering enhancement that can be spendy to fix!-----Again factory style scanners are needed for the body and ABS (SLABS) systems...So its a specialist repair centre for these as well.
One thing on these units is the front prop shaft and wear! Neglected the loss of grease in the U/Js (cooked out by Cat heat reflection) will cause VERY rapid wear of the joints eventually resulting in detachment and transmission/ floor/Cat damage!
So beware and check this if you find a nice 'un!
Expect to pay anything from $5500 up for nice specimens and in excess (17K) for the later 2003/2004 with the facelift. Large headlamps and air dams!
I have utter confidence in all the LR's I have owned. All have given me great service although the D1 simply defied oil tighteness!
I have bundled all the kids into my D2 on a few occasions and took off to Butte,Montana and Sandpoint Idaho doing as steady 85 all the way. Nice long legged comfortable ride.
If you need buying advise or a specimen call me!
Dennis
7203441877
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Re: Actually a Land Rover Discovery question
texas pinzgauer wrote:I keep seeing these things in the parking lot at the local high schools (sorry but our econmy is holding up OK) and page after page of them for sale on eBay for what seems like not much money.
Here's the question, if you have a soon to be 16 year old kid in the market for a car, you do you consider a Jeep (I still refer to them as CJ-5s) or would one of these $5K to $9K Discoverys be a viable alternative or are they such piles of $hit that the maintenance will just eat me alive and we should go with something like a 5 year old Tahoe?
Any wisdom for parents of driving age kids will be appreciated.
Get him a Beck's 356 After all your econmy is holding up!!
My kids aren't in high school but I have nieces and nephews that are some of there friends drive Merc's that they only made five hundred of them. Keeping up with the Jones is no way to buy a kid ride.
You want them to fill special don't you?
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Everytime I see a 5 or 6 year old Tahoe go by, I tell my 15 year old to visualize being in the driver's seat of it. That may be the "best" option when the time comes.
Speaking of keeping up with the Jones, that's tough to do in Houston as we have still plenty of Forbes 400 members here.
Speaking of keeping up with the Jones, that's tough to do in Houston as we have still plenty of Forbes 400 members here.
Looking for next new (for me) toy
1974 712M - sold
1973 710M - sold
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If you are after a domestic stay away from Chev and Crysler/Dodge.
All Chev dealers have dumped parts inventory for any model not current. In short captive parts are tight and WILL get tighter for none current models.
Chrysler is quite frankly a mess, and prompt parts supplies are a fiasco.
That leaves Ford--None takers of "TARP" money! This company gets my vote just for that. Great parts supply even for obsolete models and nice vehices these days. Besides being the only company still stood on their feet they get my support as a solid (but shaking still) American company deserving of every bit of business they can get!
Check out a later Explorer, cool shape for an SUV, well appointed and featured in a recent top ten of the most durable SUVs.
Worthy of consideration even for the young 'uns to drive!
Dennis
If you are after a domestic stay away from Chev and Crysler/Dodge.
All Chev dealers have dumped parts inventory for any model not current. In short captive parts are tight and WILL get tighter for none current models.
Chrysler is quite frankly a mess, and prompt parts supplies are a fiasco.
That leaves Ford--None takers of "TARP" money! This company gets my vote just for that. Great parts supply even for obsolete models and nice vehices these days. Besides being the only company still stood on their feet they get my support as a solid (but shaking still) American company deserving of every bit of business they can get!
Check out a later Explorer, cool shape for an SUV, well appointed and featured in a recent top ten of the most durable SUVs.
Worthy of consideration even for the young 'uns to drive!
Dennis
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Ya you have to love Ford. I did until we lost the second motor in the Taurus with less than 70k on the car (90% rural highway driving with religious maintenance). Ford replaced the first motor at ~38k under warranty. http://www.autosafety.org/ford-38l-head-gasket-trouble With what we were told was a new improved version, which didn’t last as long as the first… I must admit I have also had heads crack on a Toyota (@~245k) and a Mitsubishi (@~225K). Will I buy another Ford? Not likely. Would I prefer to buy an American built car? Yes. Better yet I’d prefer a car built in the United States of parts manufactured in the United States. I don’t honestly see much difference between Ford and the foreign manufactures that assemble cars and trucks in the U.S. with the possible exception being the product quality. 
Regarding parts inventory for non current models, we would likely still have our Thunderbird SC if every time it broke the parts would have been available in a timely manner.
If any find my rant offensive please forgive me even as I fail to forgive Ford for producing and failing to develop a proper fix for the failings of that blasted Taurus.
Ed
Regarding parts inventory for non current models, we would likely still have our Thunderbird SC if every time it broke the parts would have been available in a timely manner.
If any find my rant offensive please forgive me even as I fail to forgive Ford for producing and failing to develop a proper fix for the failings of that blasted Taurus.
Ed
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Oh I hear you about Ford!
In fact I have posted on this forum the critisism in the past about implementing cheap "fixes" and bringing to market underdeveloped products.
On Taurus'-
Yes the 3,8 Taurus was gasket blower, the 3,00 version was not!
The transmission was its biggest downfall and it took years for Ford to rectify that situation with the series of their "program transmissions"!
On their light truck products:-
If you look at the early Explorer and its beam axle suspension with Bridgestone Firestone tyres the things started to kill people from almost day one. Although design was an underlying chasssis/suspension problem they skillfully threw Bridgestone/Firestone under the bus for a defective tyre
(Wilderness brand) production. (When in fact it was their designs that wre the root problem and GVW issues.)
None the less if you look at the Explorer today it is a good product and is very popular with minimal service problems.
Much could be said about other products and as far as the "Turdburd" is concerned that car quickly lost its appeal in the mid eighties only to be ressurected again with a funky yesteryear look and that nose dived like its predecessor! Small wonder less parts are available for this lost leader.
Going back to my post on this I can only reiterate that IF you must buy a Domestic (and there are many that do!) Ford is probably your best bet with products that are new & innovative and they are likely at least a have a good chance od being around in 10 years!--They even make a Hybrid that seems to work!
WORK! WORK!What's that I might hear!
Its not a dirty word nor is making a profit!
That brings me to a whole new gambit and really the state of the Industry or US Industry as it stands today!
At the age of 61 I have worked all my life in this Auto Industry from snot nosed kid at service to manufacturers' level. Being on the Euro side the recent observation in watching the US auto industry contract and go bust is to me is like deja vue.
Sadly the US Industry is saddled with out dated working practices like the UK was--(to a certain extent still is) Just taking benefits for example a US Dearborn Ford Escort cost in the mid 1980's UK Pounds 813 (about $1500) more than its UK equivalent due to worker benefits like a generous retirement program(s).
I see that you mentioned you would buy a foreign car but US assembled--of which many are! The only problem with that is on average only about 14% of the profit is retained in the assembly country. Clearly then CKD & PKD operations do provide employment, but it tends not to include too much domestic parts suppliers to feed the production. Hence less people are employed.
In short then the US needs a vibrant industrial sector lest it follows the UK into a service/invisibles industry that is built on a shaky foundation!
Without an income you can't provide and as they USED to say in the UK 'Don't export your job"! Of course no-one listened!
Now they are scrambling to find something "industrial" to do!
This the country that started the Industrial Revolution.
Dennis
--(Still thinking in an old fashioned way that made America great!
did the same for the UK---- ooow and now China/India! But I'm not a rocket scientist!
Oh I hear you about Ford!
In fact I have posted on this forum the critisism in the past about implementing cheap "fixes" and bringing to market underdeveloped products.
On Taurus'-
Yes the 3,8 Taurus was gasket blower, the 3,00 version was not!
The transmission was its biggest downfall and it took years for Ford to rectify that situation with the series of their "program transmissions"!
On their light truck products:-
If you look at the early Explorer and its beam axle suspension with Bridgestone Firestone tyres the things started to kill people from almost day one. Although design was an underlying chasssis/suspension problem they skillfully threw Bridgestone/Firestone under the bus for a defective tyre
(Wilderness brand) production. (When in fact it was their designs that wre the root problem and GVW issues.)
None the less if you look at the Explorer today it is a good product and is very popular with minimal service problems.
Much could be said about other products and as far as the "Turdburd" is concerned that car quickly lost its appeal in the mid eighties only to be ressurected again with a funky yesteryear look and that nose dived like its predecessor! Small wonder less parts are available for this lost leader.
Going back to my post on this I can only reiterate that IF you must buy a Domestic (and there are many that do!) Ford is probably your best bet with products that are new & innovative and they are likely at least a have a good chance od being around in 10 years!--They even make a Hybrid that seems to work!
WORK! WORK!What's that I might hear!
Its not a dirty word nor is making a profit!
That brings me to a whole new gambit and really the state of the Industry or US Industry as it stands today!
At the age of 61 I have worked all my life in this Auto Industry from snot nosed kid at service to manufacturers' level. Being on the Euro side the recent observation in watching the US auto industry contract and go bust is to me is like deja vue.
Sadly the US Industry is saddled with out dated working practices like the UK was--(to a certain extent still is) Just taking benefits for example a US Dearborn Ford Escort cost in the mid 1980's UK Pounds 813 (about $1500) more than its UK equivalent due to worker benefits like a generous retirement program(s).
I see that you mentioned you would buy a foreign car but US assembled--of which many are! The only problem with that is on average only about 14% of the profit is retained in the assembly country. Clearly then CKD & PKD operations do provide employment, but it tends not to include too much domestic parts suppliers to feed the production. Hence less people are employed.
In short then the US needs a vibrant industrial sector lest it follows the UK into a service/invisibles industry that is built on a shaky foundation!
Without an income you can't provide and as they USED to say in the UK 'Don't export your job"! Of course no-one listened!
Now they are scrambling to find something "industrial" to do!
This the country that started the Industrial Revolution.
Dennis
--(Still thinking in an old fashioned way that made America great!
did the same for the UK---- ooow and now China/India! But I'm not a rocket scientist!
OOOps no customer bashing now
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In short no!
The deja vue period started during the late 1980's with the divesiture of UK Gov in the running of British Leyland, and British Leyland Motor Holdings. Directed by one Margaret Thatcher Prime Minister she over threw the more cautious "wets" within the Government and essentially cut of the money supply to unprofitable British companies. BL was one of them!
For quite a while the whole group was being "TARPED" to the level of 11.something billion quid ($16 billion???) when it finally imploded.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... t=1&f=1006
With the tarp monied GM and Chrysler I cannot help seeing similarities!
The US taxpayer is really bank rolling another "BL" with a similar model portfolio. Even if it were to return to the behemoth it was it could never repay the taxpayer so you have to deceide whether for jobs it is worth it; just like the Labour party decided in the 1970's under PM Wilson.
Now as to your comments about poor parts supply and pricing in the 1970's to North America that is a different kettle of fish!
As a former "insider" you might like to know that BL's US HQ was in New Jersey and run by a team of Anglo Americans; they were fairly autonimous in their operations . Above them came British Leyland International, a London based Sales and Marketing body responsible for all group sales worldwide. Some considered it a "white elephant" including me simply because it seperated the "using/driving" customer from direct feedback on quality and pricing to the various factories under it control. For that reason Jaguar was particularly affected by quality issues.
Now in general most businesses who set up shop in a country price their products under the maxim quote "Priced at what the market will stand"! A bit lame perhaps but is the benchmark even today even with customer driven market sector including Walmart.
I was told by a senior marketing director that my ideas were too American and that restricting the market was their idea of quote " Maintaining the intrinsic exclusivity of the marque" Unquote Whatever that meant?!
Now working under that is the dealership chain and the profit margin it must have to operate. In short there's alot riding on a sale and subsequent parts supply chain. At that level the dealer has to maintain a minimal stocking levels but thats all! I am required as a dealer of Ural motorcycles and several APU's to keep stocks but I only keep fast movers due to the overheads involved with overstock situations. I would imagine your LR experience was probably linked that scenario , since African dealers in the 70's like El Gazira in Khartoum & Plentipart (Caribe) were brimming with parts of all types for LR's! But they are working under a different monetary/social environment
On "pricing and outrageous" again the dealerships set the price for the territory based upon factory policies. The Steyr Magna price for Pinz parts is quite frankly outrageous as you put it, but they set that pricing policy based up the fact that they are in general selling to Governments and defense spending which is always higher. The same goes for bus parts, usually a bus and truck maker who uses the same rationalized parts will price the bus spares higher than the truck spares simply because they are supplying governments or big NGO's.
In short this can get very complicated and I always urge potential customers of anything to check out the post sales scenarios, because you can be in for a shock when it comes to repairs 'n spares!
Cheers Dennis
In short no!
The deja vue period started during the late 1980's with the divesiture of UK Gov in the running of British Leyland, and British Leyland Motor Holdings. Directed by one Margaret Thatcher Prime Minister she over threw the more cautious "wets" within the Government and essentially cut of the money supply to unprofitable British companies. BL was one of them!
For quite a while the whole group was being "TARPED" to the level of 11.something billion quid ($16 billion???) when it finally imploded.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... t=1&f=1006
With the tarp monied GM and Chrysler I cannot help seeing similarities!
The US taxpayer is really bank rolling another "BL" with a similar model portfolio. Even if it were to return to the behemoth it was it could never repay the taxpayer so you have to deceide whether for jobs it is worth it; just like the Labour party decided in the 1970's under PM Wilson.
Now as to your comments about poor parts supply and pricing in the 1970's to North America that is a different kettle of fish!
As a former "insider" you might like to know that BL's US HQ was in New Jersey and run by a team of Anglo Americans; they were fairly autonimous in their operations . Above them came British Leyland International, a London based Sales and Marketing body responsible for all group sales worldwide. Some considered it a "white elephant" including me simply because it seperated the "using/driving" customer from direct feedback on quality and pricing to the various factories under it control. For that reason Jaguar was particularly affected by quality issues.
Now in general most businesses who set up shop in a country price their products under the maxim quote "Priced at what the market will stand"! A bit lame perhaps but is the benchmark even today even with customer driven market sector including Walmart.
I was told by a senior marketing director that my ideas were too American and that restricting the market was their idea of quote " Maintaining the intrinsic exclusivity of the marque" Unquote Whatever that meant?!
Now working under that is the dealership chain and the profit margin it must have to operate. In short there's alot riding on a sale and subsequent parts supply chain. At that level the dealer has to maintain a minimal stocking levels but thats all! I am required as a dealer of Ural motorcycles and several APU's to keep stocks but I only keep fast movers due to the overheads involved with overstock situations. I would imagine your LR experience was probably linked that scenario , since African dealers in the 70's like El Gazira in Khartoum & Plentipart (Caribe) were brimming with parts of all types for LR's! But they are working under a different monetary/social environment
On "pricing and outrageous" again the dealerships set the price for the territory based upon factory policies. The Steyr Magna price for Pinz parts is quite frankly outrageous as you put it, but they set that pricing policy based up the fact that they are in general selling to Governments and defense spending which is always higher. The same goes for bus parts, usually a bus and truck maker who uses the same rationalized parts will price the bus spares higher than the truck spares simply because they are supplying governments or big NGO's.
In short this can get very complicated and I always urge potential customers of anything to check out the post sales scenarios, because you can be in for a shock when it comes to repairs 'n spares!
Cheers Dennis
OOOps no customer bashing now
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Of course the other challenge to finding a suitable car for a 16 year old is tied to the dad (me) being a car guy. I know he's not going to take care of it as well as I did with my first car and it's going to get banged up BUT, I'm not just not going to have some $800 15 year old Taurus sitting in the driveway....not happenin'.
I figure that if he has a nice clean used LR Discovery, that will give us an opportunity to do some off roading together and frankly, I'd rather see him get interested in slower speed automotive recreation VS getting his hopes up for something "sporty" AKA faster.
Again, if you look at eBay, there seem to be tons of them from $3000 to $10000.
Just thinking out loud as he won't be driving for awhile.
Maybe this LR Disdcovery is actually....for me?
I figure that if he has a nice clean used LR Discovery, that will give us an opportunity to do some off roading together and frankly, I'd rather see him get interested in slower speed automotive recreation VS getting his hopes up for something "sporty" AKA faster.
Again, if you look at eBay, there seem to be tons of them from $3000 to $10000.
Just thinking out loud as he won't be driving for awhile.
Maybe this LR Disdcovery is actually....for me?
Looking for next new (for me) toy
1974 712M - sold
1973 710M - sold
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1974 712M - sold
1973 710M - sold
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