NZ army Protectors x4

[one2many]

http://www.hobbyhavoc.com/oldhavoc/inde ... pic=2221.0

Stumbled across this and found it interesting as I didn't realise that any of these actually went into production, does anyone know any more about them?...like what year would they have been built? Which engine Steyer diesel or VW? and what other armies are using them? They don't look all that old in these photos taken in 2010....maybe 4 or 5 years to hazard a guess.

I've read elsewhere that they have a 6t gvm and I'm pretty sure there are either 5 or 6 springs in those rear spring packs...zoom in and look closely on the first and last pics of the first post.

Even though they aren't very pretty especially face on I'd be more than happy to give one a home...RHD too! I wonder if they'll ever be decommissioned.

[David Dunn]

Those are Protectors , not Vectors. Protectors were made as early as the P80s, and forward. I didn't realize there were any in the NZ contract.

Vectors were the last armored version. I'd need to go back and look at my ATL newsletters as they were probably in development prior to the sale from ATL to S&S, to Armor Holdings to BAE. I do know a few less than 200 were made.

[one2many]

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4397.html

There is some info here regarding the NZ contract, not much though. Apperntly built until 2006...can this be right?

Edited topic title to read correctly.

Thanks David any idea which engine would have been used in these?

[David Dunn]

I've looked back at a few of the ATL online releases and added one here.
It mentions the NZ contract on page 1 and the PPV ( Protected Patrol Vehicle) on the 2nd.
In a later issue, it reference 60 armored Pinzes being added to the NZ contract.
It seems a new twist on the Protector and not acknowledging a previous armored Pinz.


Mind you, these newsletters and press releases are from the early to mid 2000's, and I rely on my memory on what I had read back then.
My mental files sometimes get corrupted after 10 years or so.
And Pinzgauer's media department published what makes them looks good.

After reading all their releases, you would think there were a bunches of Pinzgauers made in the UK, but in reality only 1210 including the Vectors made.
I do not know the number that were the 2.4TD 6 cyl, the 2.5 TDI 5 cylinder or the "Turbo and charge-cooled 3.2litre, 6-cyl diesel" mentioned in the VIN breakdown chart ( I could assumed a Steyr engine, but no proof) it was a late add to their chart after the 2.5 TDI. It may have been in the Vectors.. ??? only a guess on my part
The Monocoque Armoured Body and Bolt-on Armoured Base Vehicle (i.e. Vector PPV) are listed as different bodies.

[Middlebury_Pinz]

Very cool! Thanks for posting this

[one2many]

Thanks for digging that up David.

I suppose regarding which engines were used it really depended on what individual clients ordered, in this case NZ may have been able to choose from the 2.5 VW or the Steyer. Like you I'd like to "assume" the Steyer was fitted but "who knows?"

[TechMOGogy]

I would love a 6 wheeled Fire Pinz!

[David Dunn]

I would love a 6 wheeled Fire Pinz!

There has been a few P80 718FW on ebay in the past. But we're LHD.

One2many,
Engine differences were a progression. I first made contact with ATL back in '03. At first the UK Pinzes used the 6 cyl 2.4TD (P93) and ATL had a program to retrofit P80s and P90s to P93 engines in house. At that time, they were not retrofitting the 2.5 TDI .I need to check the press releases but I believe they did start to retrofit 2.5TDI's to the British army's P93's.

As some know, I've had a SDP 716 all the way back to '02, hence my contact with ATL ( their rights were only for the TD). For some reason, I was added to their newsletter mailing list, which lasted to'07. My current 718K was the ATL/ S&S NA demostrator and getting info on it has been tedious, but general info interesting .

I would think the NZ Pinzes would have the 2.5TDI. Logistical, it makes the most sense

[one2many]

http://www.mod-sales.com/vehicle/search ... gauer_.htm

Here's a very nice 716k/3 door (mk?) That has a 5 cylinder 2.5 and reads direct from UK air force. Very nice example of a TD/P93 with only a little over 5000miles on speedo. Here's hoping the 718's are just as nice when they start releasing those, (and priced within reach).

Hey David any idea what the build date on this would be?

[one2many]

Here ya go TechMOGogy
http://haflingertechnik.com/html/index. ... nger%204wd

Your spoilt for choice they have a 712FW and a 718FW, for sale ATM.

[David Dunn]

http://www.mod-sales.com/vehicle/search ... gauer_.htm

Here's a very nice 716k/3 door (mk?) That has a 5 cylinder 2.5 and reads direct from UK air force. Very nice example of a TD/P93 with only a little over 5000miles on speedo. Here's hoping the 718's are just as nice when they start releasing those, (and priced within reach).

Hey David any idea what the build date on this would be?

That 716MK had a pending sale a few weeks ago. It is not a P93. The TDI models I understand have been referred to as the 800 series.I call them TDI's or XM (from the ATL brochure on the truck).
From the info I had gotten on that truck, it was built late '05/early '06.
remembering that only 1210 total UK Pines were made. 321 were for the NZ contract (and those replaced a 30+year old Land Rover fleet, so don't much in earlier retirement ). Under 200 Vectors, a few hundreds in the British army ( some seeing action), some for Saudi Arabia and whatever for municipal use, other militaries, there won't be the surplus that was seen with the 18000 gas Pinz (that saw little action). And there were about 6000 SDP made TD's to round out the total Pinz production.

[one2many]

So does that mean this one was retro fitted with the 2.5 TDI?

I assumed it was a P93 because of the EBD, ABS and wading mode etc. Were these electronic aids standard to some pre P93 models or was it also a retro fit?

Thanks for helping to make some sense regarding these variants.

[David Dunn]

A quick history of the TD's. There were 3 different "series" of the TDs made at SDP, in Austria. The first were the P80( most notable, the small angular radiator cowl), P90 (the radiator cowl is push forward and upright to fit the larger radiator) and lastly , the P93 (radiator cowl has an innercooler behind it).
The P93 was the first to be made in the UK. The 800, TDI , XM ( or whatever you want to call them) was the fitting of the 2.5 TDI and addition of ABS, ETC and EBD. to the Pinzgauer. The rest of the truck was basically unchanged except for alterations to fit components.

This is part of one paragraph from an early ATL release

ATL Forms Strategic
Alliance with Roush
Technologies
Automotive Technik Limited has formed a strategic
alliance with automotive engineering and development
company, Roush Technologies. The move is designed to
bring together and broaden the complementary range
of skills and services for which the two companies are
best known in their own right.
ATL has gained a reputation as one of the leading
specialist vehicle engineering, test, trials and
applications providers – and, of course, it builds the
Pinzgauer all-terrain vehicle. Roush Technologies is one
of the foremost automotive design, development and
engineering services companies, with an in-depth
experience across the car, van, commercial and defence
vehicle sectors.
Announcing the alliance, Automotive Technik Director,
David Findlay, says “This is a working partnership
which will bring together and integrate our combined
skills to provide a seamless solutions driven approach
to specialist customer requirements - especially in the
defence industry. Already, the relationship is delivering
benefits - clearly visible in the way the new Euro III
engine is being integrated in the Pinzgauer – and the
collaborative and ergonomic re-design work which is
being done on the Pinzgauer cab and interior.”

Then this is some of the published changes to the UK made Pinzes.

As TD Pinzes do not have any dates on their dataplate, only by getting build info from the factory can give real manu dates,and comparing build dates to different chassis's, you can 'guessimate' other vehicles build dates. Austrian made TDs will be under chassis #6000 and UK made start at #6001.

[David Dunn]

At this link is the complete "XM" brochure and a couple pics of a 'Pinzgauer / FMTV' coin sent to me by a BAE engineer.


http://s10.photobucket.com/user/dsd277/ ... t=9&page=1

What I find interesting is that the Pinzes in the brochure sport the SDP badge on the radiator cowl while mine has the Pinzgauer in the 'gear' (my current avatar).