New owner with questions on hauling my Pinz home

Malahki · Post by **Malahki** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:50 am

Hey guys, brand new to the forum and the proud owner of my first pinz, a 1972 710m. I need to get the truck picked up and hauled 1500km's home.

I am wondering what the preferred tie down method is for this style suspension and wondering where to hook to on the Pinz?

I have owned many solid axle 4x4's in the past and have always cross chained to the axles, although my Unimog 404 required the addition of frame securement to limit body roll due to the very flexy tendencies of the suspension.

I just want to make sure the securement method is not going to put excessive stress on the axles or portal boxes and that the truck body is not bouncing all over the place affecting the handleing of the tow vehicle.

NC_Mog · Post by **NC_Mog** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 5:09 am

I tie down the axles. There are nice open spots on the axles that accept straps. I've never had any issues with body lean being an issue under any towing condition.

undysworld · Post by **undysworld** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:58 am

You should also do a search on this, as it's come up repeatedly. There was even a video of "how not to do it", showing a Mog bouncing on a trailer.

It's too early and dark here, and I don't have my reading glasses on so I'm pretty blind, or I'd try to look it up for you... Sorry.

Malahki · Post by **Malahki** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 9:48 am

I did try searching the forum on the topic before I posted but was not having any luck. I have seen the Mog video before, it is the reason why I started adding straps to the frame on my Mog.

I figured the exposed portion of the axle was the best place to hook to on the Pinz but needed to make sure. I will Probably add a strap to the front and rear tow points to help limit any body roll and the added force on the axles caused by the suspension rebounding after hitting a big bump.

Thanks

Jim LaGuardia · Post by **Jim LaGuardia** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:22 am

Tie only to the four trianular cutouts in the central tube body mountings.
This will load the suspension and prevent movement .
Do NOTuse the pintles as over time it will bend the body and the doors won't close

Large J hooks work well.

David Dunn · Post by **David Dunn** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:17 pm

Gee Jim, guess I don't need to hit you with a bat twice anymore

The front pintle WILL deform the body forward and down when a heavy stress is put on it and the doors will release from their strikes ( keepers). The body outriggers are my preferred point of tiedown. I prefer to load (compress) the suspension.

I had taken these pics a while back to share, but hadn't posted them until now.
Using the body support outriggers, a fairly short trailer can be use, and get a nice angle to pull the suspension taut.

These are 2 threads on towing...

http://real4x4forums.com/PinzgauerBBS/v ... ght=#39676

http://real4x4forums.com/PinzgauerBBS/v ... ght=#39423

The next 3 pics show J hooks through the outriggers.
Though not shown here, I put a short "leash" (chain) from the front pintle to the trailer, just as a safety.

You may also notice that the straps are axle tiedown straps, that I attach the J hook to. I have straps for almost any need, but don't like to anchor the axles... the sheave you see is also good to protect the strap from being cut if you wrap the strap through frame sections and clip it back to the D ring.

audiocontr · Post by **audiocontr** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:03 pm

Thats correct. You will want to use these:

(That cracked me up. Did a search for Jhooks and thats the first result)

Dave, where did you get the J Hooks?

David Dunn · Post by **David Dunn** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:59 pm

If I used those.... it wouldn't be anywhere near a trailer..

Though I didn't get them here, what I have are like the ones at the bottom of this page, with the link attached.

http://www.easternwreckerstore.com/Hook ... ry-s/3.htm

As Jim can attest to, I got straps and different end configurations that I can tie anything down.

The J hooks are by far the quickest and secure way to tie a Pinz down..... I use the same straps without the J hooks to clip to my Supacat , front and rear... and 2 straps will clip onto 2 extended bolts on my Haffy ( where drawbar mounting holes are), and chain with clevis shackles through the front jacking holes ( I'm not sure how many Hafs have them, I know the US models don't ).

pinzwheeling · Post by **pinzwheeling** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:22 pm

Tie downs? didn't we just have a whole thread about how the parking brake will hold it in place?

I typically use twine from used packages to hold my trucks in place; just ask Dave.

pinzwheeling · Post by **pinzwheeling** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 6:27 pm

You could tow it like this:

David Dunn · Post by **David Dunn** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:35 pm

pinzwheeling wrote:.....I typically use twine from used packages to hold my trucks in place; just ask Dave.

I thought it was bailing wire and twine to put them on the lot for sale

Just a little drywall mud and paint.... good as new

pinzwheeling · Post by **pinzwheeling** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:36 pm

David Dunn wrote:
pinzwheeling wrote:.....I typically use twine from used packages to hold my trucks in place; just ask Dave.
I thought it was bailing wire and twine to put them on the lot for sale

Just a little drywall mud and paint.... good as new

It's not a dent... It'll rub right out. lol

David Dunn · Post by **David Dunn** » Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:40 pm

Just like the sign said... "Lo Mileage, Only driven to and from Red Bull Events"

Malahki · Post by **Malahki** » Fri Oct 29, 2010 9:17 pm

David Dunn wrote:Gee Jim, guess I don't need to hit you with a bat twice anymore

The front pintle WILL deform the body forward and down when a heavy stress is put on it and the doors will release from their strikes ( keepers). The body outriggers are my preferred point of tiedown. I prefer to load (compress) the suspension.

I had taken these pics a while back to share, but hadn't posted them until now.
Using the body support outriggers, a fairly short trailer can be use, and get a nice angle to pull the suspension taut.

These are 2 threads on towing...

http://real4x4forums.com/PinzgauerBBS/v ... ght=#39676

http://real4x4forums.com/PinzgauerBBS/v ... ght=#39423

The next 3 pics show J hooks through the outriggers.
Though not shown here, I put a short "leash" (chain) from the front pintle to the trailer, just as a safety.

You may also notice that the straps are axle tiedown straps, that I attach the J hook to. I have straps for almost any need, but don't like to anchor the axles... the sheave you see is also good to protect the strap from being cut if you wrap the strap through frame sections and clip it back to the D ring.

Thanks, this is exactly the kind of information I was looking for. And the pics make it idiot proof.

David Dunn · Post by **David Dunn** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:24 am

....... And the pics make it idiot proof.

I wish that was so.... but you still need to make sure you have plenty of tongue weight..... a few years back, a Pinz pulling another Pinz on a trailer went into a "tail wag" and flipped the tow Pinz on it's side and the trailer rolled a full 360 degrees and came to rest with the Pinz still in place on the trailer (tied down similar to those pics). Best guess is the weight was too far back on the trailer and the trailer threw the tow vehicle around...