EFI Kit Nearing Completion

[Jim LaGuardia]

The hardest part of my install was pulling the tank to add a fuel return line
The rest was fairly straight forward, and a little time consuming
EFI is sooo nice

[rollingpinz]

Hello

This brings up an interesting issue. I have a K and was told that the heater had an individual fuel pickup that was raised so that it would not drain past 1/4 tank. It seems that this would be a great place for that return line. Also, I would have thought that there would be a place in all tanks for this potential fitting. But, when I removed my heater, I was disappointed to see that the fuel line was "teed" before the carbs. Does that mean I have a hole in my tank somewhere or was I lead astray with regards to a separate fuel line?

Eric P

[M Wehrman]

All I had was "T" in mine, I never gave it a thought as from my experience the heater does not draw a significant amount of fuel. When I first got my K, stories of this horrendous fuel eater in my cab concerned me.I believe the bigger issue is having enough battery power to MT the tank! TTFN,Mark

[mjnims]

One more advantage to the tanks that CWR is selling. He has already installed the outlet for the EFI return line and had some fore thought to install an outlet for the heaters that does not allow the heater to completly empty the tank if left on for extended periods of time. I have tested the tankin real world trail trials and am glad to report that they hold up nicely against some of the natiest rocks/boulders I could find.

[MASSIVE PINZ]

I am working on a fuel sump reservoir that would not require removal of the fuel tank to install the kit. It would be available as an optional item and would complicate plumbing a tad bit...

Charles,
My instructional video of the install will help most anyone install this kit. Its about a 2.5 hour long production that goes from unpacking the boxes to initial fire up and basic tuning procedures.. All produced in very simple terms, not to be over the general person's head.

[Anthony]

MASSIF PINZ,

I know that you injection kit has been discussed over here en Europe. It is good to hear that to meet verious emissions regulations it should be just a matter of tweaking, however it might be more reassuring and encouraging to potential European buyers and I am sure those in the US as well if some emissions figures or attainment targets could be given.

It is very obvious that a tremendous amount of hard work and development has gone into this wonderful product which should benefit many Pinzgauer owners around the Globe.

Would it not be worth while taking it one step more and demonstrating the ease to which the injection kit might be set to attain and satisfy various emissions targets and yet still provide equal or better all round performance than the carburetor set up?

Anthony
Wales
GB

[MASSIVE PINZ]

Would it not be worth while taking it one step more and demonstrating the ease to which the injection kit might be set to attain and satisfy various emissions targets and yet still provide equal or better all round performance than the carburetor set up?

Actually, the work would be difficult based on the vast amount of indifference that states and countries measure emissions.

We'll say this:
The Pinz is not an efficient engine by nature compared to other engines with similar designs- thats . Any engine that can be tuned with carbs to pass emissions could be superbly tuned with EFI to a much cleaner level.

With EFI you can lean or richen the engine in 5 seconds, from the driver's seat..

[EuroTruck]

We have received only one deposit so far for an EFI kit and it is not looking good for the continuance of the project unless some of you guys belly up to the bar.

I would hate to see all of Jake's hard work go down the crapper because most of you took a "wait see" attitude.


Very respectfully,


-Sean Philyaw

[loyalp]

We have received only one deposit so far for an EFI kit and it is not looking good for the continuance of the project unless some of you guys belly up to the bar.

I would hate to see all of Jake's hard work go down the crapper because most of you took a "wait see" attitude.


Very respectfully,


-Sean Philyaw

Since I am unlikely to see a paycheck again until at least the first week of November, I have no choice but to "wait and see".

[EuroPinz]

Hello Sean,

Quite honestly, I am dying to purchase this kit, especially for here in Europe where gasoline prices are so high, but you're mentioning for offroad/race purpose only - and I am also using my Pinzgauer 712 occasionally on the road as well.
I'd would also like to see some pics of the EFI system and I have to admit that I have absolutely no knowledge of EFI systems and would not be able to watch your video here in Europe as TV's and videotape run differently here.
Sending you my intake manifold would also mean that I would not have an option to return to my original setup if I desire so, or I would have to purchase another intake manifold and send it to you.
Finally, what about finding spare parts here in Europe if anything breakes down. What would be the waiting period for me to be again up and running.
I don't have any problem about the price and the cost of it, financially I can easily afford it - but there are still too many loose ends and/or not enough questions answered. See the posting of Anthony from Wales.

Best Regards,

Jacques

[MASSIVE PINZ]

Development will go no further until at least 15 units are sold. Based on the enthusiasm of the Pinz following I took the steps to make this kit very comprehensive and ensure all bases were covered, but we can't do all this work for just a few sales.

[Wayne Roberts]

I am shocked to hear that I am the only one out here who has taken the offer and sent in my deposit. Obviously Sean and Jake have spent a considerable amount of time and money to bring this project this far. There have been many discussions here about supporting the dealers who support us. I know Sean and have always found him to honest and truthfull. I had no problem sending him a deposit on a kit that will be delivered in 4-5 months.

I have followed this project closely since Jake first talked about it and there was much support (here on this board) for doing this when he began. I dont think that the price is out of line so what happened? Did something happen and I missed it? I would hope that we (as a group) have not led these gentlemen and this project down a dead end street. We do not have emission testing down here so I never thought about that aspect. I will admit that you would need to think about that long and hard if you are subjected to this. I would assume that with EFI that the engine would run cleaner but could not confirm this.

I wanted to go to EFI to remove all of the associated problems with twin carbs. My truck runs well currently, so it will not kill me if this project goes down the tubes. But I feel for Jake and Sean, having used so much energy to bring this project this far. I hope that the group has not led them down a path that will inhibit others from trying to build parts that will improve our trucks. I was hoping that this would spark others into designing more aftermarket parts (ie disc brakes, fiberglass roofs ect.) to help our small nitch market. I have a feeling that if this project dies, most of the other small companys out there will not spend the time and money to R&D new products for our beloved Pinz's.

Please know that I have no affilation with either Jake or Sean nor am I trying to do anything but present my viewpoint on this subject and not start a flame war.

[MASSIVE PINZ]

Obviously Sean and Jake have spent a considerable amount of time and money to bring this project this far

if you only knew!

I was hoping that this would spark others into designing more aftermarket parts (ie disc brakes, fiberglass roofs ect.) to help our small nitch market. I have a feeling that if this project dies, most of the other small companys out there will not spend the time and money to R&D new products for our beloved Pinz's.

I know that it certainly will limit my efforts to my own Pinz if it goes down the tubes... BUT everyone warned me that what i was doing probably wouldn't sell, so I guess I deserve it!

[Anthony]

Hi Wayne,

Nobody here on this board I am sure is doubting the amount of work or enthusiasm that has gone in the this very worth while project and I am sure at least that it should be a very worth while improvement over the carburetor set up in almost every way.

Generally people often give support to things but can be a little slow on the uptake, often the they need to be convinced by seeing there buddy try it out first or some one else in any case, so that so start off a slow trickle takes place and before you now it production may not keep up with demand, I think that things like this may tend to be a bit like fashion and once the ball is rolling then every one else want what he has got. The other thing might be how many people like to be the guinea pig they shell out the cash while developments goes on while others may benefit. Is there any passing on of updates free or at a reduced cost for present purchasers perhaps? How many actual pledged cash? Some may applaud the notion of the developments but have no intention of buying.

The question of emissions is a very serious one for people living in Countries or States were strict enforcements or annual MOT occur for most in this situation it is no good shelling out the Euros, £, or $ for a wonderfully performing truck if it becomes illegal to drive it on the public road.

I genuinely think that for the short term the producers should settle back advertise the product with all it benefits trials etc here and on other boards and see how it goes. If the product is good at a fair price and the market research well done then it will sell. What I do know about human psychology is that it is pointless cajoling, bullying or what ever as it is likely to be counter productive , folks will just batten down the hatches and avoid it.

I really hope that this does well because I think that it deserves to.

[MASSIVE PINZ]

I genuinely think that for the short term the producers should settle back advertise the product with all it benefits trials etc here and on other boards and see how it goes. If the product is good at a fair price and the market research well done then it will sell. What I do know about human psychology is that it is pointless cajoling, bullying or what ever as it is likely to be counter productive , folks will just batten down the hatches and avoid it.

Thats fine.. BUT unless the initial run of systems is able to supercede 15 units the price per system will exceed 3,000.00

here are the facts guys:
Until the volume of sales gets to 20 units purchased, the price of production per system is drastically more money. This is due to the plenum being hand crafted and other items being special run production units only. Even with us selling 15 systems thats still putting 5 systems on the shelf to come out of my pocket.

This type of work isn't like typical business, fellas.. Market survey???

The other thing might be how many people like to be the guinea pig they shell out the cash while developments goes on while others may benefit.

I don't believe in Guinea pigs.. thats why I bought my own Pinz and did ALL the development with it. What I bring to the table is a climate tested, elevation proven unit that comes pre tuned with its own step by step install video. I have now logged another 1500 miles with the set up running on my Pinz and have swaped it back and forth for comparison with carbs 8 times since the beginning of development.

The question of emissions is a very serious one for people living in Countries or States were strict enforcements or annual MOT occur for most in this situation it is no good shelling out the Euros, £, or $ for a wonderfully performing truck if it becomes illegal to drive it on the public road

Carburetion is the most ineffective means of fuel delivery to the engine- the Pinz is no different. ANY EFI system will perform circles around a Carbureted engine, it seems that many of you don't understand that the entire air fuel ratio spectrum can be infinately adjusted at any manifold pressure or RPM, carbs do not allow for that...

The fact is that all the adjustability of the ignition AND the fuel curve will allow for engines that generally would NOT pass a smog test to be adjusted TO PASS the test. Yeah, it might take 4-5 trips to the smog station, but it is possible and I'll guarantee you that the same engine also would NEVER pass with carburetors!

Its pretty clear.. Either we get 15 takers or the systems will be 3,100.00 per unit and I'll not be in any hurry at all to finish the extreme cold weather and elevation testing. My Pinz runs excellent and has gotten a best of 18 MPG with the EFI in place. The latest round of testing proves a 17% increase in torque and an 11 HP gai with cylinfder head temp reductions of 25 degrees.

Guys, making something for a market so small doesn't work like things do in other business spectrums. We want to offer excellent modern components, but unfortunately everything is dependant upon volume... You buy- we offer, you buy- we develop...

Thank god this is all a tax write off, else I'd be pissed!