Video of final EFI Dyno lab test

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Post by MASSIVE PINZ »

Jim LaGuardia wrote:Erik, The bigger the bore, the less sealing surface at the top of the cylinder to the head and forged pistons require more wall clearance as they expand more than autothermic(cast)pistons.
This is true only with cast iron cylinders.

We run less than one thousandth of skirt clearance with the LN "Nickies" cylinders. The units I am using on the "baby" engine are set up with exactly .001

The ability to run less skirt clearance and tighter ring gaps was engineered nto the metallurgy of the cylinder's base material, a special Alcoa extrusion of solid billet aluminum.

Less skirt clearance and insanely tight ring gaps seal off cylinders, reduce compression losses and allow lighter tension rings- all these make power and efficiency.

Having to run loose skirt clearances can make for an oil contaminated chamber and that fouls spark plugs and impacts power and efficiency negatively. It screams "misconfiguration" loudly to me.

As for as an off the shelf solution to the induction arrangement, well that would more than likely impact effectiveness and that's all I care about. There are space constraint, component placement and other challenges to combat with this development and I'll say that myself and my Engineer, tom have explored most everything possible. This plenum was the only real answer.

If we can't do something the best it can be done, we have no desire to do it at all.
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Post by Jim LaGuardia »

I am happy with the parts I am currently using. The Nickies sound great, but they are way out of my price range :( While I may have to run more wall clearance with forged pistons, they do perform well and do not consume excess oil.
From what I have read, Steyr had good performance gains when they prototyped their 2.7L higher compression engine with EFI(Motronic)running forged pistons with bored out stock cylinders, to my knowledge , they never tried it on the 2.5L.
Well back to the posted topic, congrads on your research, get those kits out there :!:
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Post by JNijst »

Jake,

I just think the Pinzgauer community is extremely lucky and blessed to have someone like you own a Pinzgauer and that you have that same urge to make it a top-machine. We all have to agree, that nobody has spent more money and effort in trying to make it the best running engine and even give us the benefit of it.
The fact that the Austrians built a bull of an engine that just goes and goes, but not much faster, just means we all own a great engineered machine.

All your writings indicate a dedicated proffessional, who wants nothing but the best quality, that good old American drive to be the best !

So I have therefore absolutely no qualms about option-3. Just to have the best researched and engineered EFI on my Pinz, is what I want.

One question: the plenum looks rather large, does it still fit under the engine-cover ?

Living in Holland, means the plenum needs to be sent here, any idea about the total weight / cost ?

Good luck and all my support.

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Post by MASSIVE PINZ »

When designing plenum#3 Tom used solid modeling to ensure the plenum would fit within the space constraints of the doghouse and engine. Getting the internal volume we needed while still fitting the plenum under the cowl was a real challenge and undoubtedly the reason why no one had explored this option before. It was just too difficult.

As for forged pistons, they are totally overkill for a Pinz engine unless you want to boost it. I am making a chromoly billet Pinz rod that has a 24mm wrist pin to allow the use of my 96mm Porsce pistons that are hypereuctectic and have all the benefits of a forged piston with the characteristics of a cast piston. I have gone 23K with my car using these and it only consumed 2.5 quarts of oil the entire time! I am using a 100mm set of these in the 3.3

I am working in Wyoming this week on some product development. I'll add some to these posts when I return in 9 days.
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Post by Lisaspinz »

gunnar wrote:Hi,

I am a bit confused now.
Is the EFI kit available now, or has it been dropped?
The positive aspects of the kit are worth the bucks for me!

regards
gunnar (Salzburg, Austria)
Lisa and I are wondering the same...

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Post by MASSIVE PINZ »

I am attaining the phne numbers of all 20 of the original buyers from Sean at Euro Truck so I can call each of them to go over details, concerns and etc so the best decision can be made for everyone concerning the kits. I wanted to do this last Wednesday but I still have not gotten the numbers from Sean.

The updated arrangement has been fit into my Pinz and field testing will be under way at the end of the week to see what chamnges the mods have done with drivability and MPG compared to the dyno findings. I'll probably hold off on the phone calls until after I have had a week worth of driving to compare the differences.
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Post by Lisaspinz »

Thanks Jake - Take your time, no rush...

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Post by MASSIVE PINZ »

Sean got me the numbers today, so all I lack is a day or two to observe the changes, make my decisions and call everyone..
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