Re: Front Shock bolts
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:54 am
I went without the boot on my Samurai, and within months had lots of corrosion on the piston. That can't be good for the seals, so I plan on using the boots on my Pinz. My 2 cents.
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Front Shock bolts
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Re: Front Shock bolts
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:46 pm
If you are torn...put two on and leave two off..... see which lasts. Report back to the forum. You can be our tester.
Re: Front Shock bolts
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:16 pm
Well, hit a roadblock..... 
.....and I cannot continue.
New shock and bolt:
Old shock and same bolt:
The bottom bolt fits through the bottom spacer fine. Anyone have this issue? Just waiting for EI to call me back.
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.....and I cannot continue.New shock and bolt:
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Re: Front Shock bolts
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:28 pm
Forgot to mention....the top bolt fits through the bottom shock spacer without issue....
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Re: Front Shock bolts
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:57 pm
Oh yeah. As I recall I removed the metal (inserts) and replaced them with the ones from the OEM shocks. Bolts work fine then.
Must have done only one end as I only have 4 rusty ones in my junk pile. I save all the metal bits...never know when something can be used again.
Must have done only one end as I only have 4 rusty ones in my junk pile. I save all the metal bits...never know when something can be used again.
Re: Front Shock bolts
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:55 pm
Thanks Morris!
I was going to do that, but will I damage the rubber by pressing this in? They are not the same sizes and the bottom looks larger and more robust.
Below shows the bottom if the shock, the old spacer and the new.
Top of the shock.
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I was going to do that, but will I damage the rubber by pressing this in? They are not the same sizes and the bottom looks larger and more robust.
Below shows the bottom if the shock, the old spacer and the new.
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Re: Front Shock bolts
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:05 pm
I got it in!! 
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Re: Front Shock bolts
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:16 pm
Good. This is a good place to use that grease.
Re: Front Shock bolts
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:18 pm
Sorry - I forgot to mention that I had the same problem on the last set of shocks I installed. I also just pressed out the new sleeves and re-used the better quality old ones.
Glad it worked for you.
Glad it worked for you.
Re: Front Shock bolts
Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:33 pm
Thanks for the tips guys! Got to late for a test drive, but I will report on them soon.
Re: Front Shock bolts
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:50 am
Not to be a wet rag, but I just looked over your tech article and I think you installed your shocks upside down. With the reservoir on the bottom, you're adding more sprung weight and allowing stuff to accumulate on top of the seals. Let me know if I'm full of corn or not? Regardless, nice contribution!
Re: Front Shock bolts
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:04 pm
No, he has them correct. Just like with the original shocks the reservoir is on the bottom. That's why the boots are provided - to keep dirt away from the seal, though some prefer to go bootless and just clean the shocks often.Middlebury_Pinz wrote:Not to be a wet rag, but I just looked over your tech article and I think you installed your shocks upside down. With the reservoir on the bottom, you're adding more sprung weight and allowing stuff to accumulate on top of the seals. Let me know if I'm full of corn or not? Regardless, nice contribution!
Re: Front Shock bolts
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:24 pm
No worries! I was definitely concerned about this when I started, and there was some discussion here on that subject. I believe it was Paul that mentioned the front mount hole would not accommodate the shock with the reservoir at the top. I also went by Scott's post:Middlebury_Pinz wrote:Not to be a wet rag, but I just looked over your tech article and I think you installed your shocks upside down. With the reservoir on the bottom, you're adding more sprung weight and allowing stuff to accumulate on top of the seals. Let me know if I'm full of corn or not?
This is why I went with 100ft-lbs too.ExpiditionImports wrote: Hi Guys,
Figured I would drop in on this one.....
All of the tech information that I show orients the Doetsch shocks with the rod facing up. I have not tested this and do not know what the implications are of mounting them in the reversed position. I will double check with an engineer at Doetsch as sometimes the information from the front office may not be the best.
We have had 1 warranty claim so far out of 30 shocks. It was an installation problem as follows: Customer followed the manuals torque spec of 200NM (147.5 LB's) on the shock bolt. The inner bushing sleeve on the shock mushroomed at this torque. Upon calling Doetsch engineering they say that the sleeves are spec'd for a max of 100 ft lbs. We have been installing them to this spec. and have had no problems. A thicker wall bushing sleeve was discussed with Doetsch but they were not interested in pursuing it as they do not feel it is a problem.
Please make sure when you are comparing our price to that of the factory that you take into account the shipping and handling charges added into the price by Doetsch. They can add up.
Cheers,
Scott Ingham
Thanks! I find it very handy to see how something is done before I do it, and I think others do to.Middlebury_Pinz wrote:Regardless, nice contribution!
Re: Front Shock bolts
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:27 pm
pcolette wrote: No, he has them correct. Just like with the original shocks the reservoir is on the bottom. That's why the boots are provided - to keep dirt away from the seal, though some prefer to go bootless and just clean the shocks often.
Hey Paul.
Regarding the boots, I just found this post from Scott regarding the quality of the shafts on the non-rebuildable...
ExpeditionImports wrote:Hi Guys,
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The biggest problem we saw with the rebuildables was the poor quality chroming done on the shafts. 6-10 months in salt air and they were a rusty mess. We have not seen ANY shaft corrosion problems on the 8132's.
.....SNIP.....
Re: Front Shock bolts
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:18 pm
I finly got everything together tonight....spent to long in the patio....
I noticed the front wheels are much more rod-eyed then before....I am assuming this because of the shocks??
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I noticed the front wheels are much more rod-eyed then before....I am assuming this because of the shocks??
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