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I was just crusin' around an Alaskan 4x4 site and found this installation of a front and rear winch connection and wanted to share with you on the list. Should work on any winch set up that is a either/or situation.

http://www.alaska4x4network.com/showthread.php?t=19040

just paste it in or click on and you should get there. Very informative site.

Cheers,
Morris

I can't help but to chime in every time someone mentions this kind of thing.

Those types of set-ups are great for weekend wannabe warriors that like to pretend to off-road but they have no practical use in real 4-wheeling and are often even dangerous to use. (There are more H-2's and big, shiny Dodge trucks with this kind of crap on them than any other 4x4's it seems)

The really funny thing about that link is that they were talking about an 8274 winch, which alone weighs over 100lbs. Who in the world would think to make a temp. mount for a winch like that??

If you aren't going to bolt the winch to your truck permanently, there's truly no point in owning one.

I love it.....lets spend how long splitting a nut in half, welding it to a plate so that we can use a crowbar to crimp the connections. I mean come on the proper crimping tool must be $8 to do the job right.

Gotta Love it.....

Scott

Scott I agree with you about using the proper tool, but for a different reason.

The proper tool in a "professional" grade is about $100.00 a bit steep for the average owner who wants to make a couple of connections one time.

The reason I agree on the proper tool use is because the proper tool makes about a 3/16" or 1/4" wide crimp that runs parallel to the wire. 90 degrees opposite to the crimps in the picture and with the "v" shape of the anvil the connection is squeezed from all sides. This compaction on all sides helps to seal out the elements. This sealing is best because water leads to corrosion, which reduces the current handling capability, which increases power draw to make things happen, which can lead to heat/fire. There are several views in the industry on finishing the connections. Some installers and builders swear by soldering the wire to the connector while the trade off is the solder wicks up the wire and therefore the cable becomes a little brittle at the connector. Some some swear by crimping the connector with a no corrosion goo stuffed in. You can find the goo at any electrical supply house/Home Despot as electricians use it expecially in copper to aluminum connections. Still some swear by the crimp it and go method. I do like the sealing job with the heat shrink. There is some heat shrink that oozes a goo during heating that then hardens to help seal.

I do have to admit the crimps in the picture were far better than the H1 I worked on yesterday. Monster cable with a puny little terminal like the ones you get in the kit from Walmart with the blue, red, and yellow connectors. Ther were for 2 gauge wire, but were the type with 2 ears. The installer apparently bent one ear over with his pliers and then bent the other ear over with the pliers and hooked it to the battery. Children, he was a trained professional do not attempt this at home. Hope that helps someone.

Just put it in for information. Didn't mean to piss everyone off.

Cheers,
Morris

I don't think you pissed anyone off Morris...just gave an outlet for comment.

Lightningpinz did a good description of the reason for using a proper crimper. I was a little off when I tossed out my $8 quote ......we have been using a basic unit from Mcmaster - 7061K12 $28 - for many years for our crimping. That along with a good heat shrink and we have never had any problems.

In regards to the discussion of the original post, your winch mount is as good as your receiver mount.....ie if you have built it to withstand the force of a trailer pulling, putting it a removable winch mount is really no different.

While I don't like the appearance of a removable winch setup, I have a good friend who uses a multimount winch on 2 vehicles plus his trailer. Most of the time it sits under cover in the bed of his F150. If he needs to pull something out it comes and goes into either the front or rear of his truck for the task. On the weekend he takes the same winch and puts it on the front of his Jeep. If he needs to move a non running project onto his trailer he simply "pins" his winch into the mount and uses it there as well. He can only afford one winch, but he certainly gets his use out of it.

Taking the above into consideration, from a practicality standpoint I do not think the above is doable with anything more than a 9000 lb winch. The heavy chassis winches 10K, 12K, 15K, 16.5K etc., are all too heavy to move around easily to actually be used.

Finally, an interesting thought.......And I know this played a part with your winch mount (morris) on your mog. Winches should be mounted so that the bolts holding the winch are not in shear. I have never seen a "portable cradle" that mounts the winches in this way.??

Cheers,

Scott

Thanks Scott,
I did feel like I was being flamed, but I realize that the written word can sometimes be misread.
What really struck me about the post on the Alaskan 4x4 site was the ingenuity that one individual used to acomplish a task with tools at hand or that he could create.
Before I attempted a winch mount (on the mog) I had several chats with the techs at Warn and explained what I was doing. A winch with bolts in shear is not the way to go. Mounting a 15k winch in a portable situation was not even considered as off-center pulls would be very dangerous with that type of attachment. Especially with the weight of a mog. I mounted the winch pulling in the direction of the mounting bolts. Besides I cannot lift that much to be hefting a winch and mount.
When it was finally fesible to get a winch for the pinz, I had a chat with Alex and his input was very instrumential in my choice of winch and bumper to hold it. At a combined weight of 200lbs+ it is going to add a lot of weight to the front of that little 710. That should be interesting.

Cheers,
Morris

running a winch off one battery!


Oh The Baby was born 11-08-2006 00:44! He was 7lbs 9.6 ozs and 22 inches long - a very healthy baby boy!

Now after the baby grows up a little I can get him and my 5 year old boy to help me work on the Pinz! LOL!

Glynn

Morris, you are tight about the written word. I routinely seem to get people unhappy with me and my comments. I put the comments out there not to say don't do it, but to provoke thought first. My back ground was with a group of engineeers. We would share status on projects and we would tear each others resluts apart looking for any weak link. That way (brainstroming) we kept each other out of trouble or sometimes gave that AHAA idea. JUst like now, what I got out of that thread was I am shopping for cable tools at the wrong place. Thanks Scott.

I would love to come up with a removable winch mount for my Pinz. I have seen some Pinz's with a winch, reinforced sub frame, big winch bumper, sheet metal armoring, light bars, cabin full of goodies whose owner are running the Rancho shocks at the hardest setting to minimize the increased nose dive on braking. A removable winch would be great there, or maybe a center mount with feed any way, or?????

So in short I hope nobody feels flamed on this board, we are all here to have fun and keep our Pinz's going.

ABSOLUTSECURITY wrote:
Oh The Baby was born 11-08-2006 00:44! He was 7lbs 9.6 ozs and 22 inches long - a very healthy baby boy!

Glynn,

Congrats on the new co-driver. I'm sure the Pinz will be around when it comes time to take him to his Jr-Sr Prom.

-Sean P.

I have been changing diapers and feeding bottles on the swing shift - his mommy has ther other shift untill I go back to work this week - then I still have the swing shift changing and feeding and going to work! LOL!

We are going to have a fight for co-driver between my 5 year old and the newborn - so I think I am going to have to buy a Hafy for the boys if I can find one in the future.

Glynn