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PTO

Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:20 pm
by JimmyC
Are PTOs for the transmission actually available?

Re: Pro

Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 5:42 pm
by Jim LaGuardia
No. If a pto was fitted, it would have to attach to the transfer case input shaft(under the rear facing aluminum cover/retainer).

Re: Pro

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:09 am
by JimmyC
The repair manual indicates there is a spot to put one on the transmission. The hole that the mounting bracket covers looks like the place I had PTOs on my Dodges. I am having a hard time figuring any other reason for a hole there

Re: Pro

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:09 am
by TechMOGogy
I found this
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Good luck ever finding one :)

Re: Pro

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:55 pm
by Jim LaGuardia
The gearbox they refer to is the transfer case. There is not enough space to mount on the trans. To operate the PTO if equipped, you would put transfer case in neutral and control PTO output speed by transmission gear selection:shock:
This is a common practice on heavy tractors and Mil spec trucks.
As a side note, I have never seen or heard of anyone having one and believe it was never fully realized on production units.

Re: Pro

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:05 pm
by westernair
Only on the older and smaller brothers were they fitted, to the best of my memory that is...

Re: Pro

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:16 pm
by JimmyC
Here is the pto hole for a jeep http://www.jeeptech.com/winch/t18pto02.jpg. It is more different than I thought

Re: Pro

Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:34 pm
by compunerdy

Re: Pro

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:20 pm
by JimmyC
An old zf document showing the transmission with a PTO http://www.zf.com/media/media/document/ ... 29_769.pdf

Re: PTO

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 8:59 am
by JimmyC
Thanks Compunerdy. One of those links shows a picture of a modified transfer case with a PTO on the back as Jim described.

I have also had some correspondence with ZF Tradition. They said the Transmission mounted PTO was no longer available from them. I asked if the drawings were available and he said they were not released to individuals.

Re: PTO

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 2:04 pm
by undysworld
Maybe use an older independent transfer case installed between the Pinz transfer case and transmission, and run a pro off the front output of that?

Re: PTO

Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:43 pm
by JimmyC
Another interesting tip. I contacted some fellows in Austria that claim they are "successor organization of the Steyr-Daimler-Puch customer service department". I asked them about the PTO and here is their reply:

Hello

Yes you are right the PTO is mounted on the gearbox

This PTO was installed in the Pinzgauer 712 - produced for the army in Venezuela

We don’t have any parts on stock

Maybe you will ask somebody in Venezuela

PS: Our supplier was ZF

Mit freundlichen Grüßen / with kind regards

Ing. Martin Zach

Customer Service

Re: PTO

Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:01 pm
by TechMOGogy
Seems they are partly correct - it was not just for Venezuela army it would seem.
Here is text from a Haflinger Technik for sale ad.
"Pinzgauer 712K FIRE
1980 712 Factory built fire engine. 5 door K body with rear mounted Ziegler pump (PTO driven), water tank, hose reel etc. All in good working order"
http://www.haflingertechnik.com/html/in ... nger%204wd
Image

I bet if you buy that 712K you could take the PTO out and put it on your 710M :mrgreen:

Re: PTO

Posted: Fri May 23, 2014 7:56 am
by TechMOGogy
Serbian Pinz with PTO driven side winch
Pretty cool!
Where is the gas tank?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=62 ... =2&theater