Steering "box" question.
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Steering "box" question.
I have been attempting to remove the castle nut (M20 1.5) that holds the drop arm to the steering shaft. It just won't budge.
Yes, I removed the split pin.
Is it prudent to heat this nut with a torch to facilitate its removal, or will the heat cause damage to the bushing at the base of the shaft?
Also, I am under the assumption that this shaft/nut has conventional threads, not reverse.. Right?
Yes, I removed the split pin.
Is it prudent to heat this nut with a torch to facilitate its removal, or will the heat cause damage to the bushing at the base of the shaft?
Also, I am under the assumption that this shaft/nut has conventional threads, not reverse.. Right?
Mike
1971 North American 700AP Haflinger Pathfinder
1971 North American 700AP Haflinger Pathfinder
Re: Steering
I've pulled mine a couple of times without any drama - pretty sure its conventional thread. I would be concerned about heat as I am pretty sure there is a seal right behind it...
I think I have my old box sitting out still in my shop and can verify the thread direction when I get over there at lunch time.
I think I have my old box sitting out still in my shop and can verify the thread direction when I get over there at lunch time.
Re: Steering
Should be relatively easy to get a new Castle nut, so you could always do a "nut splitting" job on it either with an angle grinder, hammer and chisel or with a commercial nut splitter.
Biggest obstacle to using heat would be clutch cable, brake line being so close. Might actually be a good idea as you could have a suitable puller ready to take the pitman arm off a soon as you have the nut off.
John
Biggest obstacle to using heat would be clutch cable, brake line being so close. Might actually be a good idea as you could have a suitable puller ready to take the pitman arm off a soon as you have the nut off.
John
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Re: Steering
I just took mine off on Weds
Threads normal - came off easy but this was 2nd time - 1st time I just used a pitman arm puller - only took a couple of cranks and it fell off
![Image](http://images11.palcdn.com/hlr-system/WebPhotos/81/810/8105/8105223.jpg?_v=5a94e708-b43a-47fc-b9d2-56110847a5a6)
Threads normal - came off easy but this was 2nd time - 1st time I just used a pitman arm puller - only took a couple of cranks and it fell off
![Image](http://images11.palcdn.com/hlr-system/WebPhotos/81/810/8105/8105223.jpg?_v=5a94e708-b43a-47fc-b9d2-56110847a5a6)
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Re: Steering "box" question.
Yeah, the puller won't be the problem, but the castle nut is trouble. I usually just torch them up to expand them (thereby breaking the corrosion and grumpy threads) but I'm worried that the heat on the shaft will smoke the seal just past the bulkhead.
Mike
1971 North American 700AP Haflinger Pathfinder
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Re: Steering
Mike, just went outside and verified 100% it is normal thread by testing mine.
Good luck with it!
Can you get a punch onto some of the 'teeth' and give it a few good whacks?
May help loosen it up
Dan
Good luck with it!
Can you get a punch onto some of the 'teeth' and give it a few good whacks?
May help loosen it up
Dan
72 Pathfinder | 75 710M 2.7i | 96 350GDT Worker
Re: Steering
Putting a punch on castle nut "teeth" is not a good idea - likely to either bend / break or cause it to tighten up on the thread by cross threading the bent "tooth".
If you have access to a commercial impact drive (electric or pneumatic) you could probably get it undone with one of those with out issue. There are hand driven versions which require a wallop with a club hammer which might also do the trick.
John
If you have access to a commercial impact drive (electric or pneumatic) you could probably get it undone with one of those with out issue. There are hand driven versions which require a wallop with a club hammer which might also do the trick.
John
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Re: Steering
I have mine off a few times without any real issue - I would be using a standard socket (not 12 point) and using a big breaker bar - moderate heat should not hurt but nothing real hot.
But all this should not be needed.
Garry
But all this should not be needed.
Garry
1973 Haflinger AP700
1977 Landrover FC 101
2007 Range Rover Sport TDV6
1971 Jaguar Series 3 E-Type Conv
1957 Landrover 88" Station Wagon
1957 Landrover 88"
1977 Landrover FC 101
2007 Range Rover Sport TDV6
1971 Jaguar Series 3 E-Type Conv
1957 Landrover 88" Station Wagon
1957 Landrover 88"
Re: Steering
Nothing beats a good air impact wrench for getting off the Pitman Arm nuts.
Then again once you get the nut off there is no guarantee you'll be able to budge the arm.
Pitman arms are one of those things....sometimes they virtually fall off and others are almost impossible to shift.
I usually put a heavy duty gear puller on them, spray with RP7 etc, then give the surrounding areas of the pitman arm a number of good whacks with a brass/copper hammer.
.....if that fails I tighten the puller as tight as I can, then go in for a cuppa or dinner and "usually" when I get back the pitman arm is off.![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
Then again once you get the nut off there is no guarantee you'll be able to budge the arm.
Pitman arms are one of those things....sometimes they virtually fall off and others are almost impossible to shift.
I usually put a heavy duty gear puller on them, spray with RP7 etc, then give the surrounding areas of the pitman arm a number of good whacks with a brass/copper hammer.
.....if that fails I tighten the puller as tight as I can, then go in for a cuppa or dinner and "usually" when I get back the pitman arm is off.
![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
Peter
1974, 712 6X6 Pinzgauer
1983, 710-1.6 4X4 Pinzgauer
1997, 718 6X6 Pinzgauer (in pieces)
1971, 700 Haflinger
1974, 703 LWB Haflinger
2001, Range Rover
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1974, 712 6X6 Pinzgauer
1983, 710-1.6 4X4 Pinzgauer
1997, 718 6X6 Pinzgauer (in pieces)
1971, 700 Haflinger
1974, 703 LWB Haflinger
2001, Range Rover
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Re: Steering "box" question.
Not just a professor, you are also a psychic.Profpinz wrote:Then again once you get the nut off there is no guarantee you'll be able to budge the arm.
Nut came off after a 48 hr PB bath, and 30 inches of leverage on the breaker.
The arm, however, is still hanging in there, despite a tight pitman arm puller and repeated periodic beatings.
It's sitting, puller mounted and cranked down, dripping in penetrant.
I'm waiting for a clang/clunk sound to come from my garage.
Mike
1971 North American 700AP Haflinger Pathfinder
1971 North American 700AP Haflinger Pathfinder
Re: Steering
It will go, eventually....trust me!I'm waiting for a clang/clunk sound to come from my garage.
![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
Every time you pass by the vehicle, see if you can tighten the puller just that little bit more, then all of a sudden (at some stage).............there will be a BANG!
Peter
1974, 712 6X6 Pinzgauer
1983, 710-1.6 4X4 Pinzgauer
1997, 718 6X6 Pinzgauer (in pieces)
1971, 700 Haflinger
1974, 703 LWB Haflinger
2001, Range Rover
http://www.ozpinz.com
1974, 712 6X6 Pinzgauer
1983, 710-1.6 4X4 Pinzgauer
1997, 718 6X6 Pinzgauer (in pieces)
1971, 700 Haflinger
1974, 703 LWB Haflinger
2001, Range Rover
http://www.ozpinz.com
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Re: Steering "box" question.
Maybe if everyone sends good vibes through their computers/devices, all the positive energy will bust it loose.Profpinz wrote:.......there will be a BANG!
Or, I'll use that big a$$ breaker bar on the end of the puller bolt.
Whatever works.
Mike
1971 North American 700AP Haflinger Pathfinder
1971 North American 700AP Haflinger Pathfinder
Re: Steering
Just remember you really have to "load up" that puller bolt......tight as you can get it! ![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
Peter
1974, 712 6X6 Pinzgauer
1983, 710-1.6 4X4 Pinzgauer
1997, 718 6X6 Pinzgauer (in pieces)
1971, 700 Haflinger
1974, 703 LWB Haflinger
2001, Range Rover
http://www.ozpinz.com
1974, 712 6X6 Pinzgauer
1983, 710-1.6 4X4 Pinzgauer
1997, 718 6X6 Pinzgauer (in pieces)
1971, 700 Haflinger
1974, 703 LWB Haflinger
2001, Range Rover
http://www.ozpinz.com
Re: Steering
As Peter said but I would add a bit of heat - where it is is not going to damage any steering box seals - screw that shaft as tight as you can - heat - screw - heat - screw - bang - cool - cool - cool
garry
garry
1973 Haflinger AP700
1977 Landrover FC 101
2007 Range Rover Sport TDV6
1971 Jaguar Series 3 E-Type Conv
1957 Landrover 88" Station Wagon
1957 Landrover 88"
1977 Landrover FC 101
2007 Range Rover Sport TDV6
1971 Jaguar Series 3 E-Type Conv
1957 Landrover 88" Station Wagon
1957 Landrover 88"
Re: Steering
Mike,
You might want to check the availability of a new seal before you start adding heat. Good time to change it anyway. Shouldn't be too difficult to get. 35/25/7
Then you can put the heat to it.
Cheers,
Sandy
You might want to check the availability of a new seal before you start adding heat. Good time to change it anyway. Shouldn't be too difficult to get. 35/25/7
Then you can put the heat to it.
Cheers,
Sandy
1975 710K
1971 700/APL (NA)
1971 700/APL (NA)